(October 15, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(October 15, 2019 at 1:18 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: And Hillary landed under enemy fire in Baghdad.....




What else is new?

Still beating the dead horse of "had to chose trump cuz Hilary"?

It's the neo-nazi motto.

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(October 15, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Drich Wrote: over turn a duly elected president. 

So you accept that the traitor party stole the election (by illegally disenfranchising over ten million US citizens because of the colour of their skin, the tenor of their religion {or lack thereof}, or even the placement of their sexual organs)? That's mighty big of you drippy, maybe even big enough to earn a reprieve from my ignore list.

So, what about people who single source their news from Fox News or Breitbart? Studies have shown that Fox News viewers are actually worse-informed than people who don't watch the news at all.

(October 17, 2019 at 11:35 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(October 16, 2019 at 12:17 pm)Drich Wrote: fake=false

The justice department ruled on 9-25-19 Trump had broken no laws with his dealings with the ukrainian president.

It is now 10-16 and CNN is still reporting the president has broken the law and needs to be impeeched for the very crime the justice department absolved him of.

That douche bag is propaganda/fake/false news.

Do i need to break it down further?

how much must I pre chew these facts before you understand what CNN is telling and how they are going about it is a kin to LYING to the american people and most of you are making accuses for them having made a mistake!

Fake=A forgery, in the case of news it would be an article that appears to be genuine but deliberately contains misinformation or disinformation that the source knows is wrong with the intent to deceive news consumers.

False=Incorrect, untrue, wrong; in news it can be a fake, but it can also result from being mistaken or unconscious bias, no intent to deceive is required.

Ultimately, the courts determine what is legal or illegal, not the administration's Justice Department. The Justice Department may choose not to prosecute something, that is absolutely not the same thing as absolving them of it. The DOJ's official position is that it is not their place to prosecute a sitting president, that responsibility belongs to the legislative branch. Furthermore, just because something is not against the law does not mean that it is not impeachable, that is for the House to determine. If they proceed w/ impeachment and vote to impeach, it is then the Senate's job to determine whether to remove the president from office.

Having a different opinion from the DOJ on the legality of something or whether something is an impeachable offense is not 'fake news'. If CNN honestly, in their hearts, as objectively as possible, felt that the evidence indicates that the president is completely innocent and doesn't deserve impeachment, their reportage WOULD be fake news. I don't think even you believe that CNN is not reporting what they really think. You disagreeing with what they are reporting is not the standard for determining whether the news is fake. It's possible for people to have a different opinion about a matter than you without it being lying, Drich.

why do you have to be so obstinate?

Anyone speaking this language as a primary for more than a  year know fake and false are synonyms! Ever heard of a thesaurus?

fake1
/fāk/
adjective

1. not genuine; counterfeit.
   Similar:forgery
   counterfeit copy sham fraud hoax imitation
   mock-up dummy reproduction lookalike
   likeness phoney pirate knockoff rip-off
   dupe forged fraudulent false bogus spurious
   pseudo worthless invalid dud artificial synthetic
   simulated replica ersatz plastic man-made mock
   so-called pretend fakey
   
   Opposite:
   genuine
   
   

you understand this word synonym? it means the same or similar definition different word.

So why is what CNN doing false or fake news?

1) The president of cnn was caught issuing an order to ignore all other news worthy stories and focus on the impeachment

2) the current impeachment argument as per the laws of this country, was made moot on 9-25-19 by the DOJ. 

Anything else is political nonsense and is not news worthy as even if the house/polis put it to a vote and they all agree/vote party lines in the house it will then move to the senate which has already stated they would strike down the impeachment as per the findings of the DOJ.

Which is the reason house speaker polis is not moving forward with an official proceedings as she does not have any evidence of wrong doing. When asked she even said she did not need evidence to hold this over trump's head.. Which again is nothing more than a political move for all of those of you who are 1/2 a sleep and take fake news at face value.

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(October 16, 2019 at 1:31 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The Constitution delineates the process for impeaching, trying, and removing a president from office. The people who are trying to disrupt this process are, in point of fact, going against the Constitution. This would qualify as a criminal act.

So, Bich, I hope your non-reader cohorts keep trying.  

as evidenced by???

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(October 16, 2019 at 1:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 16, 2019 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Did listen to the actual tape of the CNN president telling his staff to bypass real news to keep the impeachment nothing burger at the fore front?

Listen to the CBS anchor they specifically say... "this maybe footage of..." They knew it was not going into the broad cast. they just wanted to paint a hollywood type invasion scene when in fact very little in the way of kurds being napalmed is actually going on.

As far as trump's actions in seria I think he is making an example out of them for others in the middle east who heavily depend on our support but maybe are not paying their fare share. To show them that the US is the reason why people like turkey and or iran are not pushing in and not NAto. Remember the kurds are under the protection of Nato and turkey is a member, yet Nato has little to no power in reeling turkey in. IE if you want the added US protection then it is time people started paying for it rather than the tax payers footing the entire bill for world peace. 

Or perhaps he is using the actions of turkey against the kurds to show the kurds how much they depend on Us and to force a stronger alliance with them and get their support against their buddies in Iran if it comes down to it.

Only History can know if this will be an all bad or even a good thing..

Either Way, this is news. not impeachment over Joe biden's dishonest politicking. (shaking down the ukraine and china for payout for his son.)

I have not listened to it, nor am I going to.  Why?  Because nothing James O'Keefe has to say, publish, or broadcast has any validity whatsoever.  He's a fraud and a confessed criminal.  And I think it's rather amusing that you would use material published by one criminal to defend another.

Boru

nice batten down the hatches and double down on what you think you ALREADY  know to be true and take no consideration that you have been programmed to do the very thing in the light of truth you said you are doing here. You guys claim christians have closed minds... never once have I not considered a pov or an argument because it came from the other side. here you are looking for any reason to identify the message as poison and then have your reason to ignore it!

Ever hear of a dictionary? They have different definitions, and the definitions for fake and false are not the same, and 'fake news' has a specific definition of its own that precludes merely mistaken or biased news.

As for synonyms, a synonym for 'boat' is 'yacht', that does not mean that my boat is a yacht.

(October 18, 2019 at 11:41 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Funny how everything in the whistleblower complaint has been corroborated by the administration, innit?

And no - you do not need first hand information to blow the whistle on corrupt practices.  If Jim tells me that Joe has robbed a bank and I take that information to the cops, wouldn't they investigate?  You justice department didn't even investigate the complaint.  Barr simply dismissed it out of hand and opted to not even check it out.

I don't think you understand what 'hearsay' means.

Boru

the witness per the Dim's is not needed.

Why? because the report the whistleblower made about the phone call between trump and the president of ukraine was said to have ahad quid pro quoe information the call did not have IE trump said he wanted ukraine to investigate possible illegal dealings biden had in their country or he would cut a billion dollars in funding.

The transcripts of the phone call where released (I read them) and nothing of the sort ever panned out! 

Matter of fact the only person holding back aid or ever threatened to was BIDEN HIMSELF! in that there was a prosecutor that was investigating him and his son for shady dealings in the ukraine and biden is recorded bragging about the fact that he told the president of the ukraine to fire the special prosecutor looking into him and his son or they would cut 1 billion dollars from special aid going to the urain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCF9My1vBP4

Here is your quid pro quoe! just wrong man. Everything trump is being accused of here in the way of impeachment Biden himself has already done!

Where is CNN on that story? why has it played for the last 6 weeks ad nauseum?

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(October 18, 2019 at 7:00 pm)Nomad Wrote:

(October 15, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Still beating the dead horse of "had to chose trump cuz Hilary"?

It's the neo-nazi motto.

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(October 15, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Drich Wrote: over turn a duly elected president. 

So you accept that the traitor party stole the election (by illegally disenfranchising over ten million US citizens because of the colour of their skin, the tenor of their religion {or lack thereof}, or even the placement of their sexual organs)?  That's mighty big of you drippy, maybe even big enough to earn a reprieve from my ignore list.

duly elected president= legally elected president

To over turn a duly elected president= Coup a coup is to remove legally installed government and put a new one not legally elected.

With those words not defined for you, how is it that I am saying trump stole the election?

Look jerk-o My skin color is not white. and once you understand non whites are who elected this president, you and your party MIGHT have a chance again at having a say on who the next president will be. However so long as you sing the trump being the anti white president blues, you are fighting a battle only you yourselves care about. while the trumps of the world are actually doing something about the issues minorities truy care about.

Oh and as far as the lgdbqlmop and thier 4%...  I do not care what the opinion of a man or woman as an adult find confusion as to which bathroom to use. They are welcome so long as they do not hurt or infringe on anyone else's rights.

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(October 18, 2019 at 7:05 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: So, what about people who single source their news from Fox News or Breitbart? Studies have shown that Fox News viewers are actually worse-informed than people who don't watch the news at all.

says the people at msnbc and Cnn.

The point is the same no matter the source.

Did you notice I composed this thread from raw data alone? that the words and reporting where mine alone? that the references used where only to point to raw primary sourced data? IE rather than use a whistle blowers report that Je biden was bragging about a quid pro quoe exchange of a billion dollars to have the prosecutor investigating him fired... I posted a new story that featured him telling that story!

You can not argue those facts yet you all blindly do or ignore them.

And here’s someone taking raw data on multiple Breitbart stories and showing how bullshit they are:





Like it or not (and I don’t) it’s been in the nature of journalism to cook up juicy stories that sell papers or ratings or views since before William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer railroaded the US to go to war with Spain. The biggest difference between the “mainstream media” and the sort of sources you prefer is that, well, the latter are more blatant about it.

(October 21, 2019 at 9:22 am)Drich Wrote:

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(October 16, 2019 at 1:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I have not listened to it, nor am I going to.  Why?  Because nothing James O'Keefe has to say, publish, or broadcast has any validity whatsoever.  He's a fraud and a confessed criminal.  And I think it's rather amusing that you would use material published by one criminal to defend another.

Boru

nice batten down the hatches and double down on what you think you ALREADY  know to be true and take no consideration that you have been programmed to do the very thing in the light of truth you said you are doing here. You guys claim christians have closed minds... never once have I not considered a pov or an argument because it came from the other side. here you are looking for any reason to identify the message as poison and then have your reason to ignore it!

I regard it as poison because of O'Keefe's known and confessed history of heavily editing video and audio so what people said is taken out of context.  This was proved and admitted to by O'Keefe in the ACORN and NPR fiascos (the former of which cost him $100 000 dollars).  He is a lying, libelous scumbag.  Ask yourself:  If you knew someone who lied to you every single time you spoke to them, would you be closed minded if you opted to not take them seriously in future?  This is exactly the case with O'Keefe.  If you put any credence in anything he has to say, you're a bigger waterhead than I took you for.

Quote:the witness per the Dim's is not needed.

Why? because the report the whistleblower made about the phone call between trump and the president of ukraine was said to have ahad quid pro quoe information the call did not have IE trump said he wanted ukraine to investigate possible illegal dealings biden had in their country or he would cut a billion dollars in funding.

The transcripts of the phone call where released (I read them) and nothing of the sort ever panned out! 

It doesn't matter if it 'panned out'.  Trump simply asking for help in a domestic election is illegal.  And are you sure you read the right transcript?  Here's what was said:

Zelensky:  We. are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we ar·e almost. ready to buy more Javelins from ·_ the United· States for defense purposes ..

Trump:  I would like you to do us a favor though

That is the very definition of 'quid pro quo'.  Trump is making the sale US weapons to Ukraine conditional on 'do us a favor'.  If you can't see that, your reading comprehension is as bad as your spelling.

Quote:Matter of fact the only person holding back aid or ever threatened to was BIDEN HIMSELF! in that there was a prosecutor that was investigating him and his son for shady dealings in the ukraine and biden is recorded bragging about the fact that he told the president of the ukraine to fire the special prosecutor looking into him and his son or they would cut 1 billion dollars from special aid going to the urain!

Here is your quid pro quoe! just wrong man. Everything trump is being accused of here in the way of impeachment Biden himself has already done!

Neither Hunter nor Joe Biden were EVER under investigation by the Ukraine prosecutor.  There was an investigation of Burisma's president for money laundering, but that investigation had been dormant for two years before Shokin was fired.  He was fired because he wasn't investigating corruption, not to stop him from investigating Burisma (because he wasn't doing that anyway).

Yes, Biden told Ukraine they wouldn't get the money if Shokin wasn't dismissed, but that was because US, EU and IMF loans and loan guarantees were (and always had been) conditional on Ukraine addressing their corruption problem.  Shokin wasn't doing that - he was slow-walking, and sometimes cancelling - investigations into corrupt entities, both individuals and organizations.  At NO TIME was he investigating the Bidens. If the Bidens were corrupt, and Shokin was leaving them alone (which he was), why would Biden want Shokin dismissed?

Quote:Where is CNN on that story? why has it played for the last 6 weeks ad nauseum?

Well, it hasn't played for six weeks, that's simply false.  I've read one reply from CNN:  'No really cares about this.'  I'm sure you'll have a different spin on it, but my take is that CNN shares my opinion of O'Keefe.  If you don't, you've got your head so far up your arse, you can see what you had for breakfast.

Boru

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...news-lies/

(October 22, 2019 at 3:01 am)EgoDeath Wrote: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...news-lies/

Kinda points the 'fake news' arrow in the right direction, dunnit?

Boru

(October 21, 2019 at 1:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I regard it as poison because of O'Keefe's known and confessed history of heavily editing video and audio so what people said is taken out of context.

  This was proved and admitted to by O'Keefe in the ACORN and NPR fiascos (the former of which cost him $100 000 dollars).  He is a lying, libelous scumbag.  Ask yourself:  If you knew someone who lied to you every single time you spoke to them, would you be closed minded if you opted to not take them seriously in future?  This is exactly the case with O'Keefe.  If you put any credence in anything he has to say, you're a bigger waterhead than I took you for.

wow. it's like the sound of a big empty vault door slamming shut and the gears of the lock cinching it all down air tight.. (your mind closing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RfxS5Om3Yk

The video is the video and one could claim the narrative may be eschewed a bit.. The problem with that is the other interviews people who work there also gave of zucker's commandments on how trump was to be covered. then you have zucker himself telling people to ignore the then released tape and just continue the trump coverage as usual.

Meaning you have people within the tape creating or reciting the zucker narritive then you hear it from him yourself.

Which is why yu no doubt move to dismiss the tape because you branded it an okeefe production. Sorry sport a true open and honest intellect examines all information before making a decision. only the weak minded need to close their minds to any evidence they personal do not like!

Quote:the witness per the Dim's is not needed.

Why? because the report the whistleblower made about the phone call between trump and the president of ukraine was said to have ahad quid pro quoe information the call did not have IE trump said he wanted ukraine to investigate possible illegal dealings biden had in their country or he would cut a billion dollars in funding.

The transcripts of the phone call where released (I read them) and nothing of the sort ever panned out! 

Quote:It doesn't matter if it 'panned out'.  Trump simply asking for help in a domestic election is illegal. 

Panning out is the whole point! meaning if the president of the ukrain never felt the need or the obligation to follow or comply with trump then there was never a real demand IE no quid pro quoe.

Quote:And are you sure you read the right transcript?  Here's what was said:

Zelensky:  We. are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we ar·e almost. ready to buy more Javelins from ·_ the United· States for defense purposes ..

Trump:  I would like you to do us a favor though

That is the very definition of 'quid pro quo'.  Trump is making the sale US weapons to Ukraine conditional on 'do us a favor'.  If you can't see that, your reading comprehension is as bad as your spelling.

Ah, no douche.. This all pertains to corruption in the crowdstrike corporation a cyber security corporation wh where doing illegal things in the ukraine.

then Zelensky assured trump that corruptions on those very high levels where being stomped out..

THEN hunter biden comes up and the special prosecutor Joe Biden demanded they fire or be left out of 1 billion dollar aid deal! The issue was focoused on this corrupt prosecutor Joe 30330 put into power. This is trump telling zelensky that the united states is no longer requiring his corrupt prosecutor Joe put into place to remain in power. Then zelensky assured trump that his own guy would go back into office.

No quid pro quoe.

It started with trump asking for a favor to ensure corruption/their swamp was drained. Zelensky confirmed, and then asked us for intelligence! Zelensky ask for our info and he/zelensky promised to look into everything

Quote:Matter of fact the only person holding back aid or ever threatened to was BIDEN HIMSELF! in that there was a prosecutor that was investigating him and his son for shady dealings in the ukraine and biden is recorded bragging about the fact that he told the president of the ukraine to fire the special prosecutor looking into him and his son or they would cut 1 billion dollars from special aid going to the urain!

Here is your quid pro quoe! just wrong man. Everything trump is being accused of here in the way of impeachment Biden himself has already done!

Quote:Neither Hunter nor Joe Biden were EVER under investigation by the Ukraine prosecutor.

 That's BS.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-...ned-2019-9

Quote:There was an investigation of Burisma's president for money laundering, but that investigation had been dormant for two years before Shokin was fired.  He was fired because he wasn't investigating corruption, not to stop him from investigating Burisma (because he wasn't doing that anyway).

who do you think hunter biden worked for overthere? with no experience in Gas, trade the ukraine or anything having to do with any of it but yet pulls out a multi million dollars deal for himself?

An investigation into Burisma would have revealed shake down money biden got through his son's involvement.

Quote:Yes, Biden told Ukraine they wouldn't get the money if Shokin wasn't dismissed, but that was because US, EU and IMF loans and loan guarantees were (and always had been) conditional on Ukraine addressing their corruption problem.

Biden was their corruption problem, and the prosecutor was getting too close and biden flexed his muscle.

Quote:  Shokin wasn't doing that - he was slow-walking, and sometimes cancelling - investigations into corrupt entities, both individuals and organizations.  At NO TIME was he investigating the Bidens. If the Bidens were corrupt, and Shokin was leaving them alone (which he was), why would Biden want Shokin dismissed?

For the same reason you people you claim trump's request of a Shokinesque prosecutor to replace the corrupt one biden put into place is akin to election interference!

If shokin was a corrupt lazy slug as you claim then biden and his side money venture through his son hunter and Burisma would have never come to light. but now that another crack prosecutor has been re established then all of biden's mis deeds are at risk of being brought to light!

Why else would this be a problem? If biden didn't have his hand in the cookie jar then a prosecutor will not find his finger prints in it whatsoever,so it sould not matter if trump tells zelensky it is ok to release biden's special prosecutor and put whom ever he thinks is best in place!

Even trump in the transcript admitting knowing of biden mis dealings with the gas company! How would he know otherwise? how would he know of bidens dealings unless someone was investigating him?

Quote:Where is CNN on that story? why has it played for the last 6 weeks ad nauseum?

Quote:Well, it hasn't played for six weeks, that's simply false.  I've read one reply from CNN:  'No really cares about this.'  I'm sure you'll have a different spin on it, but my take is that CNN shares my opinion of O'Keefe.  If you don't, you've got your head so far up your arse, you can see what you had for breakfast.

Boru

the impeachment BS has played far longer than 6 weeks!