(October 26, 2019 at 9:44 am)mordant Wrote: You have a commendable positive outlook about the possibilities and I suppose I appear way more negative than I actually am in real life by comparison. Which of us is likely to be correct? The truth is probably somewhere in between, as life tends to be both better and worse than we expect. That is why I allow that it would be prudent of me to accept biological immortality if offered to me, because I should explore the possibilities. Even if I might do so with less expectation of particular outcomes than you, I acknowledge that my conceptual framing and experience are inadequate to make a confident pronouncement that it would be a waste of time.

Yes, I have noticed the differences in outlooks. And perhaps mine are motivated by the stage of life I'm in, my 20's. Its a stage where I'm being asked to choose the path I want to take, and surrender all others. Not just because society seems to prefer one-trick ponys, but because mastering any one task comes at the cost of all others. For example, becoming an athlete takes time and work which cannot be invested into becoming a musician. Doing a little of everything feels as unsatisfactory as choosing just one thing and mastering it. So I'm forced to choose who I want to be, and make all other things into hobbies; but I can easily envision a life where I made one of my hobbies my main career, and the career path I'm taking now into a hobbie.

So perhaps eternity is too long, I don't know. What I do know is that one life doesn't feel like enough.

I think extending life for as long as we want is the best option.

Dying is somewhat sad, but it is necessary I believe. Eternity is too long for humans.

It's definitely nice that we're basically living twice as long as we were hundreds of years ago, and we should keep working on that. death may be inevitable, but you can buy more time.

I'm reminded of a song that states money won't buy you a minute more time. Which I think is demonstrably false. Songs in the old days tried to be really philosophical sometimes.

(October 26, 2019 at 10:58 am)Macoleco Wrote: I think extending life for as long as we want is the best option.

Dying is somewhat sad, but it is necessary I believe. Eternity is too long for humans.

I' m up for trying eternity.

But only if I'm young and good looking.


Rich wouldn't hurt either.

(October 26, 2019 at 10:58 am)Macoleco Wrote: Dying is somewhat sad, but it is necessary I believe. Eternity is too long for humans.

I wonder if death isn't just incomprehensible to us. That is to say, we romanticize it into something it's not. It seems very easy to think death brings peace from our troubles, but only the living can experience peace. Death forfeits the possibility of ever experiencing peace again, and yet we compare it to rest and sleep. Death is deceitful and alluring, there's no logic to it. Any experience seems better than no experience. It makes no sense to say eternity is not stimulating enough, and then think the solution to boredom is death. Death, I would argue, is the ultimate and eternal state of boredom. At least the boredom of life can be experienced, but death removes even this. If we fear boredom, we should fear death even more.

(October 26, 2019 at 11:17 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 26, 2019 at 10:58 am)Macoleco Wrote: I think extending life for as long as we want is the best option.

Dying is somewhat sad, but it is necessary I believe. Eternity is too long for humans.

I' m up for trying eternity.

But only if I'm young and good looking.


Rich wouldn't hurt either.

Opps, three strikes.

4.

I'm not immortal either.

...

I'm quite immoral.

(October 26, 2019 at 11:45 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(October 26, 2019 at 10:58 am)Macoleco Wrote: Dying is somewhat sad, but it is necessary I believe. Eternity is too long for humans.

I wonder if death isn't just incomprehensible to us. That is to say, we romanticize it into something it's not. It seems very easy to think death brings peace from our troubles, but only the living can experience peace. Death forfeits the possibility of ever experiencing peace again, and yet we compare it to rest and sleep. Death is deceitful and alluring, there's no logic to it. Any experience seems better than no experience. It makes no sense to say eternity is not stimulating enough, and then think the solution to boredom is death. Death, I would argue, is the ultimate and eternal state of boredom. At least the boredom of life can be experienced, but death removes even this. If we fear boredom, we should fear death even more.

We are made by our memories and experiences. How can you live forever when everyone you meet will eventually die? Will you even remember who you are after hundreds of years? Death is what gives things value.

Dying is not boredom. You simply cease to exist. Just like before you were born.

Normally we give more value to things that are rare, and finite. Then theists come by and tell you that everything you do is meaningless unless you get on the eternity train. Like Aron Ra says, religion reverses everything.