(November 3, 2019 at 8:07 am)TaraJo Wrote: Yeah, that's how partisan politics works in Washington nowadays: the president is under CONSTANT investigation.  That's pretty much how it's gone since the 90's, with the exception that Bush got a brief break right after 9/11.  Even if you haven't actually done anything.  Now the opposition to those investigation is turning things around and investigating the investigators.  

And, yeah, I don't know who's going to be president when Trump leaves or when that will be, but I can already predict this president is going to be under investigation for something, too.  And the president after that, same thing.  And so on and so on.

Wouldn't it be nice if our elected officials would just worry about legislating instead of this ridiculous game of political gotcha they're going for?  I mean, I'm not going to be any kind of fan of Trump, EVER, but my criticisms are more about policy and less tabloid fodder.

I'm not entirely convinced that accusations of tax crime, attempts to suborn your election process,  illegal appropriations, and hush money payments count as 'tabloid fodder'.  When there are creditable accusations, investigations are warranted.  Even if (or especially if) those investigations show that nothing untoward happened.

Boru

(November 3, 2019 at 8:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 3, 2019 at 8:07 am)TaraJo Wrote: Yeah, that's how partisan politics works in Washington nowadays: the president is under CONSTANT investigation.  That's pretty much how it's gone since the 90's, with the exception that Bush got a brief break right after 9/11.  Even if you haven't actually done anything.  Now the opposition to those investigation is turning things around and investigating the investigators.  

And, yeah, I don't know who's going to be president when Trump leaves or when that will be, but I can already predict this president is going to be under investigation for something, too.  And the president after that, same thing.  And so on and so on.

Wouldn't it be nice if our elected officials would just worry about legislating instead of this ridiculous game of political gotcha they're going for?  I mean, I'm not going to be any kind of fan of Trump, EVER, but my criticisms are more about policy and less tabloid fodder.

I'm not entirely convinced that accusations of tax crime, attempts to suborn your election process,  illegal appropriations, and hush money payments count as 'tabloid fodder'.  When there are creditable accusations, investigations are warranted.  Even if (or especially if) those investigations show that nothing untoward happened.

Boru

I'm forced to admit, there's legitimacy to the charges Trump is facing.  A whole hell of a lot more than there were against Bill or Hillary Clinton, anyway.  The whole Ben Ghazi debacle was a legit concern, but it was investigated into the ground and Obama and Hillary didn't really do anything wrong there.  And Obamas birth certificate has been investigated to no end with no legitimate proof that it's ever been faked.  

But it still bothers me that politicians are more worried about playing "Gotcha" than they are with legislating and policy.  Trump is passing laws that benefit exclusively white, wealthy, Christian, American men at the expense of everyone else.  Isn't anyone able to attack him on this?  Is anyone able to criticize his policy choices?

(November 3, 2019 at 9:24 am)TaraJo Wrote:

(November 3, 2019 at 8:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I'm not entirely convinced that accusations of tax crime, attempts to suborn your election process,  illegal appropriations, and hush money payments count as 'tabloid fodder'.  When there are creditable accusations, investigations are warranted.  Even if (or especially if) those investigations show that nothing untoward happened.

Boru

I'm forced to admit, there's legitimacy to the charges Trump is facing.  A whole hell of a lot more than there were against Bill or Hillary Clinton, anyway.  The whole Ben Ghazi debacle was a legit concern, but it was investigated into the ground and Obama and Hillary didn't really do anything wrong there.  And Obamas birth certificate has been investigated to no end with no legitimate proof that it's ever been faked.  

But it still bothers me that politicians are more worried about playing "Gotcha" than they are with legislating and policy.  Trump is passing laws that benefit exclusively white, wealthy, Christian, American men at the expense of everyone else.  Isn't anyone able to attack him on this?  Is anyone able to criticize his policy choices?

To confined politics to the actual evaluation of policies requires political maturity, a sense of intellectual responsibility, and a generally perception we are truly in this together, on the part of the Entire electorate.     

We do not have this by the remotest stretch of imagination.   We managed to have become even farther from this than we were 30 or 50 years ago.

Right now We can no more bring about better policy in this country by confining political discussion to sound policy evaluation as we could determine which of two theories in quantum mechanics were right by informing and then soliciting the opinions of aggressive, ill mannered, ungrateful 6 year olds interested primarily in throwing cushions and toys.

holy crap it is hard to believe any of you are serious..

As anyone read the trans script?

Do any of you understand the roll of the DOJ here?

Do you know the DOJ cleared trump not once but twice.
first on sept 25th on the content of the transcripted phone conversation, and then again last week on it's own research and translated transcript?

Do you know that even if this impeachment passes the democratically controlled house, the senate has said they are defaulting to the DOJ's investigation and judgement that nothing has been done to warrant an impeachment?

The fact that this will never pass the senate should be a big red flag for you guys!!! That the house is stalling and is trying to occupy it's time with these matters in an attempt to minimize what the president can claim in the way of accomplishments.

That and to try and knock some of you lower hanging undecided fruit into thinking he has done something wrong despite two reviews from the DOJ and what the Senate has determined.

I though most of you could clearly see politics being played here.

The roll of trumps DOJ is to be his Roy Cohn....and, apparently, to solicit the help of foreign governments in fixing a US election.

Are you in love with Trump or with America, more, do you reckon? Personally, I think that you're a traitorous Trump cultist, Drich...and you'll have to explain that to jesus come the day of your judgement.

(November 5, 2019 at 4:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The roll of trumps DOJ is to be his Roy Cohn....and, apparently, to solicit the help of foreign governments in fixing a US election.  

Are you in love with Trump or with America, more, do you reckon? Personally, I think that you're a traitorous Trump cultist, Drich...and you'll have to explain that to jesus come the day of your judgement.

You can try and dismiss the roll of the department of justice here but that is the branch that over sees the executive branch and unlike nixon and clinton the house does not have the support of the DOJ, as again this current DOJ has not seen any criminal activity here. The house is on a witch hunt that is not supported by the laws nor the constitution of this country. As none of the other checks and balances have identified wrong doing with this president. like it our not the house is one of three oversites and the other 2 do not see anything illegal. So again no matter what the house decides the whole thing is just a dog and pony show for you "Dims" out there. as it seems the only people being fooled by this maneuver are hard core can't/won't think for themselves dims who need the evening news to know what to think say or do.

So whatcha going to do when this impeachment bs backfires and trump win his second term like regan did over mondale? (49 states to one)?

Why are you arguing with me and threatening some traitor win over a party I don't vote for? I already told you that you'd have to get right with jesus.

Complain to him.

(November 5, 2019 at 4:22 pm)Drich Wrote: holy crap it is hard to believe any of you are serious..

As anyone read the trans script?

Do any of you understand the roll of the DOJ here?

Do you know the DOJ cleared trump not once but twice.
first on sept 25th on the content of the transcripted phone conversation, and then again last week on it's own research and translated transcript?

Do you know that even if this impeachment passes the democratically controlled house, the senate has said they are defaulting to the DOJ's investigation and judgement that nothing has been done to warrant an impeachment?

The fact that this will never pass the senate should be a big red flag for you guys!!! That the house is stalling and is trying to occupy it's time with these matters in an attempt to minimize what the president can claim in the way of accomplishments.

That and to try and knock some of you lower hanging undecided fruit into thinking he has done something wrong despite two reviews from the DOJ and what the Senate has determined.

I though most of you could clearly see politics being played here.

Declining to investigate isn't the same thing as 'clearing'.

Boru

(November 5, 2019 at 4:54 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 5, 2019 at 4:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The roll of trumps DOJ is to be his Roy Cohn....and, apparently, to solicit the help of foreign governments in fixing a US election.  

Are you in love with Trump or with America, more, do you reckon? Personally, I think that you're a traitorous Trump cultist, Drich...and you'll have to explain that to jesus come the day of your judgement.

You can try and dismiss the roll of the department of justice here but that is the branch that over sees the executive branch and unlike nixon and clinton the house does not have the support of the DOJ, as again this current DOJ has not seen any criminal activity here. The house is on a witch hunt that is not supported by the laws nor the constitution of this country. As none of the other checks and balances have identified wrong doing with this president. like it our not the house is one of three oversites and the other 2 do not see anything illegal. So again no matter what the house decides the whole thing is just a dog and pony show for you "Dims" out there. as it seems the only people being fooled by this maneuver are hard core can't/won't think for themselves dims who need the evening news to know what to think say or do.

So whatcha going to do when this impeachment bs backfires and trump win his second term like regan did over mondale? (49 states to one)?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Congress that oversees the Executive branch.

Boru

Yeah, the dems are shitting on my opinion of them as spineless cretins who don't do anything that won't poll well by holding a president to account for the shit that he'll never be tossed out for.

If they keep this up, I'll have to get a new routine.

The truth of the matter is that americans, and drich is one of us, don't care anymore if their president works for russia instead of them.