(November 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm)Athene Wrote:

(November 6, 2019 at 2:11 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The problem of kids wandering off was solved when they came out with child leashes, or using a fence, but so many people had a conniption at the idea of leashing children that it didn't last. I wouldn't have to hit them. I'd just tie them to me. Although you could also tell them that if they hate staying at home so much, they can live in the woods, and I can make another child.

Child leases are for toddlers, though. 

LOL..."Leashing" a 9 or 10 year-old and keeping them tethered to you 16 hours a day is probably guaranteed to inflict more psychological damage than a few swats on the ass.

If you're still 'swatting' (nice euphemism) your kids at 9 or 10 years old, you've failed as a parent.

Boru

(November 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm)Athene Wrote:

(November 6, 2019 at 2:11 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The problem of kids wandering off was solved when they came out with child leashes, or using a fence, but so many people had a conniption at the idea of leashing children that it didn't last. I wouldn't have to hit them. I'd just tie them to me. Although you could also tell them that if they hate staying at home so much, they can live in the woods, and I can make another child.

Child leases are for toddlers, though. 

LOL..."Leashing" a 9 or 10 year-old and keeping them tethered to you 16 hours a day is probably guaranteed to inflict more psychological damage than a few swats on the ass.

If they get to nine years old, and still don't know to not run into traffic, or whatever, then something definitely went wrong in parenting.

(November 6, 2019 at 2:27 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(November 6, 2019 at 12:56 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: You shot their dog?

No, stuff like computer games. That had immense power over my eldest son. He even wrote on Facebook (my wife saw it) one time that if he ever had kids he'd never ground them from their computer games. I guess he's traumatized. 

Is shooting their dog ANYWHERE in the punishment regime or are you just a weak parent?

(November 6, 2019 at 2:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I never cease to be amazed at the lengths to which people will go to justify hitting children.

Boru

Oh, dear..That wasn't in reference to me, was it? 

Because I thought made I it clear that wasn't actually a proponent of spanking children. I only stated that I recognize that there are extenuating circumstances where parents' may deem spanking necessary as a sub-optimal choice when reasonable attempts at non-corporal discipline fail IF a kid's behavior puts himself or others risk...And that I'm not willing label them child abusers for that.

If you'd like for me to adopt an absolutist approach to spanking and immediately regard anyone who's so much popped their kid's hand for trying reach inside a hot oven as a vicious child abuser, I'm sorry but can't I do that. I think such a blanket assessment would be wildly unfair.


Of course, if that wasn't directed at me, then...Oops! My bad.

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(November 6, 2019 at 2:42 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(November 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm)Athene Wrote: Child leases are for toddlers, though. 

LOL..."Leashing" a 9 or 10 year-old and keeping them tethered to you 16 hours a day is probably guaranteed to inflict more psychological damage than a few swats on the ass.

If they get to nine years old, and still don't know to not run into traffic, or whatever, then something definitely went wrong in parenting.

Who was talking about running into traffic, though? 

I was specifically referring to older kids who enjoy wandering off and going "exploring" without telling anyone where they're going. Then I poked a little fun at your toddler leash suggestion. 

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(November 6, 2019 at 2:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm)Athene Wrote: Child leases are for toddlers, though. 

LOL..."Leashing" a 9 or 10 year-old and keeping them tethered to you 16 hours a day is probably guaranteed to inflict more psychological damage than a few swats on the ass.

If you're still 'swatting' (nice euphemism) your kids at 9 or 10 years old, you've failed as a parent.

Boru

Again, I was referring to a hypothetical, but if you'd like to LIE and attribute that hypothetical to me personally and imply that I'm a child abuser just so you can feel good about yourself, go right ahead.

Personally, I think that pretty fucked up.
So fucked up in fact--if we used real names here, I'd sue your ass for libelous defamation if you dared to push that narrative much further.

And I'd win.

With that, I'll be taking my leave of this thread.  
Have a nice day.

(November 6, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Athene Wrote:

(November 6, 2019 at 2:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I never cease to be amazed at the lengths to which people will go to justify hitting children.

Boru

Oh, dear..That wasn't in reference to me, was it? 

Because I thought made I it clear that wasn't actually a proponent of spanking children. I only stated that I recognize that there are extenuating circumstances where parents' may deem spanking necessary as a sub-optimal choice when reasonable attempts at non-corporal discipline fail IF a kid's behavior puts himself or others risk...And that I'm not willing label them child abusers for that.

If you'd like for me to adopt an absolutist approach to spanking and immediately regard anyone who's so much popped their kid's hand for trying reach inside a hot oven as a vicious child abuser, I'm sorry but can't do that. I think such a blanket assessment would be wildly unfair.


Of course, if that wasn't directed at me, then...Oops! My bad.

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Not you specifically, no. 

Boru

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That's a brutal turn.

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(November 6, 2019 at 2:42 pm)Chad32 Wrote: If they get to nine years old, and still don't know to not run into traffic, or whatever, then something definitely went wrong in parenting.

Who was talking about running into traffic, though? 

I was specifically referring to older kids who enjoy wandering off and going "exploring" without telling anyone where they're going. Then I poked a little fun at your toddler leash suggestion. 
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Running into traffic was just an example of wandering off. What I'm trying to say is, by the time they're nine or so, they shouldn't need a leash, because they should have learned by then not to do that. If they still haven't learned then just tell them they haven't proven they can be trusted with being unsupervised. You have to explain it to them, because they're going to want to come off as mature and trustworthy. My nieces are just over that age, and they never ran into the woods when they came to visit at the lake.

(November 6, 2019 at 2:42 pm)Chad32 Wrote: If they get to nine years old, and still don't know to not run into traffic, or whatever, then something definitely went wrong in parenting.

Meh, maybe...but you still have to keep them from wandering into the road.......

(November 6, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Athene Wrote:

(November 6, 2019 at 2:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I never cease to be amazed at the lengths to which people will go to justify hitting children.

Boru

Oh, dear..That wasn't in reference to me, was it? 

Because I thought made I it clear that wasn't actually a proponent of spanking children. I only stated that I recognize that there are extenuating circumstances where parents' may deem spanking necessary as a sub-optimal choice when reasonable attempts at non-corporal discipline fail IF a kid's behavior puts himself or others risk...And that I'm not willing label them child abusers for that.

If you'd like for me to adopt an absolutist approach to spanking and immediately regard anyone who's so much popped their kid's hand for trying reach inside a hot oven as a vicious child abuser, I'm sorry but can't I do that. I think such a blanket assessment would be wildly unfair.


Of course, if that wasn't directed at me, then...Oops! My bad.

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(November 6, 2019 at 2:42 pm)Chad32 Wrote: If they get to nine years old, and still don't know to not run into traffic, or whatever, then something definitely went wrong in parenting.

Who was talking about running into traffic, though? 

I was specifically referring to older kids who enjoy wandering off and going "exploring" without telling anyone where they're going. Then I poked a little fun at your toddler leash suggestion. 

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(November 6, 2019 at 2:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you're still 'swatting' (nice euphemism) your kids at 9 or 10 years old, you've failed as a parent.

Boru

Again, I was referring to a hypothetical, but if you'd like to LIE and attribute that hypothetical to me personally and imply that I'm a child abuser just so you can feel good about yourself, go right ahead.

Personally, I think that pretty fucked up.
So fucked up in fact--if we used real names here, I'd sue your ass for libelous defamation if you dared to push that narrative much further.

And I'd win.

With that, I'll be taking my leave of this thread.  
Have a nice day.

Sorry you left the thread.

Sometimes 'you' means 'people in general' and not 'Athene personally and specifically'.

But, for whatever it's worth, yes - I think people who spank their children (and when I say spank, I mean 'spank') are abusive parents.  Deal with it.

Boru