(October 27, 2019 at 2:52 pm)GGG Wrote: Lek,   so you believe that world was created in 6 days? If not - you are not religious because its in your holy book - Bible, if yes - how you can call yourself educated? (you do call yourself and 5 billion believers educated on first page).

Plenty of religious people believe the world was not created in 6 days. Including Christians.

(October 27, 2019 at 2:52 pm)GGG Wrote: Lek,   so you believe that world was created in 6 days? If not - you are not religious because its in your holy book - Bible, if yes - how you can call yourself educated? (you do call yourself and 5 billion believers educated on first page).

Alas, tough luck for you. Lek appears to have abandoned the thread. Too much heat, 
I guess.

(October 27, 2019 at 6:07 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(October 27, 2019 at 2:52 pm)GGG Wrote: Lek,   so you believe that world was created in 6 days? If not - you are not religious because its in your holy book - Bible, if yes - how you can call yourself educated? (you do call yourself and 5 billion believers educated on first page).

Alas, tough luck for you. Lek appears to have abandoned the thread. Too much heat, 
I guess.

No big deal. His posts were little more than one nonsensical claim after another. Trying to have a rational discussion with him is like trying to nail a blob of Jell-o to the wall.

(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote: I've been asked a zillion times in this forum to give evidence for why I believe in God and each time the questioner comes back and tells me that's not real evidence.   Here's the situation.  We have a being who is supernatural.  He/She/It can exist without the need to obey any natural laws and therefore, cannot be understood or explained by natural or scientific means.  

I always reply that I believe because God has directly impressed me with the awareness of his existence.  I list supporting factors as the witness of other believers, evidence of ghosts and other supernatural phenomena, etc.  A very conservative estimate of the number of people in the world today who believe in God, in this scientific age, is five billion.  These people are from every profession and walk of life.

If God directly illuminates me through supernatural means which cannot be tested by any natural means, how can I give you any other solid evidence other than to relate my experience?  You might say I'm suffering from a delusion, but I have no other history of delusions and billions of others who have no history of delusions also believe in God.  Billions of these people are moderately or well-educated and realize that the earth revolves around the sun, as you do.

Why don't you accept this as evidence for God?

Let me clear today:Now read very carefully dear and never ask this question again because you are going to be satisfied.
1)If you believe something and don't want to provide evidence then it means you can't prove what you believe.
2)If your being is supernatural and people are asking for natural evidence then it concludes either people are at wrong choice or you.Let if people are asking for wrong choice then burden of proof is over you to explain that how you expert to understand supernatural claims.Let if you are providing the right answer then how your assumptions can't be understood by multi men?
3)If you are impressed with the existence of him why all other people are unable to understand that?Why your belief is not universal in nature?
4)If 5 billions people is evidence then reality should be understood by numerical magnitude?It means that how fermentation occurs in intestine due to undigested diet is understood by mere medical specialists who have not magnitude of 5 billions then is it wrong because majority don't know it?
5)If supernatural evidences can't be proved by natural means then how you can understand supernatural claims by your natural means of inquiry?

I hope you got it.

(November 12, 2019 at 3:48 am)desire4hitchasia Wrote: Let me clear today:Now read very carefully dear and never ask this question again because you are going to be satisfied.

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I hope you got it.

What if this world would be above all arrogance and clashes of the type you wrote here? 

(November 12, 2019 at 4:06 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(November 12, 2019 at 3:48 am)desire4hitchasia Wrote: Let me clear today:Now read very carefully dear and never ask this question again because you are going to be satisfied.

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I hope you got it.

What if this world would be above all arrogance and clashes of the type you wrote here? 

Quote explanation also.Half quotes and half understanding is the major problem not the full picture.

(November 12, 2019 at 4:16 am)desire4hitchasia Wrote: Quote explanation also.Half quotes and half understanding is the major problem not the full picture.

What explanation?

Do you mean the one in your post just above? Everybody can still see it. I'm not hiding anything.

I expect that Lek has heard explanations like yours a million times. It may be a little arrogant of you to think you can take care of it in a single post. And since Lek's not hurting anybody, it seems like you're starting an unnecessary clash.

So it seems to me that your post here is in contradiction to the one on the thread you started.

(September 18, 2019 at 6:41 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: God just told me that you were full of shit.

What...don't believe me?

I think you should use logic when it comes to deciding if god is true or not.

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(November 12, 2019 at 3:48 am)desire4hitchasia Wrote:

(September 18, 2019 at 6:37 pm)Lek Wrote: I've been asked a zillion times in this forum to give evidence for why I believe in God and each time the questioner comes back and tells me that's not real evidence.   Here's the situation.  We have a being who is supernatural.  He/She/It can exist without the need to obey any natural laws and therefore, cannot be understood or explained by natural or scientific means.  

I always reply that I believe because God has directly impressed me with the awareness of his existence.  I list supporting factors as the witness of other believers, evidence of ghosts and other supernatural phenomena, etc.  A very conservative estimate of the number of people in the world today who believe in God, in this scientific age, is five billion.  These people are from every profession and walk of life.

If God directly illuminates me through supernatural means which cannot be tested by any natural means, how can I give you any other solid evidence other than to relate my experience?  You might say I'm suffering from a delusion, but I have no other history of delusions and billions of others who have no history of delusions also believe in God.  Billions of these people are moderately or well-educated and realize that the earth revolves around the sun, as you do.

Why don't you accept this as evidence for God?

Let me clear today:Now read very carefully dear and never ask this question again because you are going to be satisfied.
1)If you believe something and don't want to provide evidence then it means you can't prove what you believe.
2)If your being is supernatural and people are asking for natural evidence then it concludes either people are at wrong choice or you.Let if people are asking for wrong choice then burden of proof is over you to explain that how you expert to understand supernatural claims.Let if you are providing the right answer then how your assumptions can't be understood by multi men?
3)If you are impressed with the existence of him why all other people are unable to understand that?Why your belief is not universal in nature?
4)If 5 billions people is evidence then reality should be understood by numerical magnitude?It means that how fermentation occurs in intestine due to undigested diet is understood by mere medical specialists who have not magnitude of 5 billions then is it wrong because majority don't know it?
5)If supernatural evidences can't be proved by natural means then how you can understand supernatural claims by your natural means of inquiry?

I hope you got it.

I think you should ask yourself what evidence you want from god and then sek it. It makes no sense when somebody says prove god exists without asking what evdince they want.

I strongly doubt that you want me to use logic anywhere near your or any other god.

(November 13, 2019 at 4:28 pm)Prycejosh1987 Wrote:

(September 18, 2019 at 6:41 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: God just told me that you were full of shit.

What...don't believe me?

I think you should use logic when it comes to deciding if god is true or not.

Ok here's a bit of logic.

1) Gods were created during a period when people knew virtually nothing about how the world worked and didn't have the tools to interrogate the evidence. They began because people asked questions like "who made the thunder?" and "why do lions keep eating my buddies?" And they went for the easy non-explanation of "goddidit". While it was somewhat excusable back then c3-4,000 years ago, it isn't now when we can find actual answers.

2) Gods were created during a period when the means to organise, regulate and police complex societoes were becoming necessary but the means to do so were primitive and ineffective, at best, and the necessary tools were non-existent. The ruling classes used religion as a measure of control, in an attempt to keep the lower classes from getting restive and demanding a fairer share of the spoils of their labour. Jam tomorrow and hell are part of the same knout.

We can show, by logical application of the facts, that all religions are human inventions, and that all gods are reflections of the cultures and ideas of their inventors and thesocieties they lived in.