(December 24, 2019 at 6:58 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(December 24, 2019 at 6:45 am)Interaktive Wrote: World War I was non-religious. Europe is Christian, and Japan is Buddhist. No one was engaged in proselytism.

Those sentences are true, but I don't know why you typed them.

Are you still claiming that WWI was the first non-religious war? 

Was the Franco-Prussian War fought for religion? The Russo-Japanese War?

no, i don't say

just this is the first world and it is non-religious

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(December 24, 2019 at 7:00 am)Interaktive Wrote:

(December 24, 2019 at 6:58 am)Belacqua Wrote: Those sentences are true, but I don't know why you typed them.

Are you still claiming that WWI was the first non-religious war? 

Was the Franco-Prussian War fought for religion? The Russo-Japanese War?

no, i don't say

just this is the first world and it is non-religious

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I guess I'm still not quite clear on the message. 

Anyway, there's another point to keep in mind about WWI: it's often considered the death point of 19th century rationalism. In a sense, it made people think differently, and less optimistically, about science. 

Briefly put, the amazing gains in science in the 19th century, and the gradual movement towards democracy in place of irrational inherited power, made people optimistic. Scientific rationalism, they thought, would bring a peaceful world. 

Many people had this optimism destroyed when they saw scientific gains being used to kill people more efficiently. Poison gas rather than medicine, bombs from the air, etc. And it turned out that democratic leaders could be as stupidly violent as kings. 

So the optimism we still see sometimes (in Sam Harris, for example) that if we just let science lead us things will be OK seemed then not to be warranted.

(December 24, 2019 at 7:11 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(December 24, 2019 at 7:00 am)Interaktive Wrote: no, i don't say

just this is the first world and it is non-religious

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I guess I'm still not quite clear on the message. 

Anyway, there's another point to keep in mind about WWI: it's often considered the death point of 19th century rationalism. In a sense, it made people think differently, and less optimistically, about science. 

Briefly put, the amazing gains in science in the 19th century, and the gradual movement towards democracy in place of irrational inherited power, made people optimistic. Scientific rationalism, they thought, would bring a peaceful world. 

Many people had this optimism destroyed when they saw scientific gains being used to kill people more efficiently. Poison gas rather than medicine, bombs from the air, etc. And it turned out that democratic leaders could be as stupidly violent as kings. 

So the optimism we still see sometimes (in Sam Harris, for example) that if we just let science lead us things will be OK seemed then not to be warranted.

the French created an atheistic calendar in the 18th century. Progress was even earlier.

(December 24, 2019 at 7:21 am)Interaktive Wrote: the French created an atheistic calendar in the 18th century. Progress was even earlier.

I'm the one who taught you about the French calendar. 

Of course scientific progress began earlier, I didn't say otherwise.

I don't think you're making much sense.

(December 24, 2019 at 7:00 am)Interaktive Wrote: just this is the first world and it is non-religious

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People, for the most part, are no more religious, patriotic, etc., than they need to be.

(December 24, 2019 at 7:32 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(December 24, 2019 at 7:00 am)Interaktive Wrote: just this is the first world and it is non-religious

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People, for the most part, are no more religious, patriotic, etc., than they need to be.

Swedes and French are not very patriotic

And??

(December 24, 2019 at 7:44 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: And??

simply

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now there is a second cold war
religion in the background

Got it.

Russians practically cannot support a conversation about science. But they directly sing about Orthodoxy