(December 15, 2019 at 7:05 am)Otangelo Wrote: I don't choose to be a theist, I just can not force my brain to accept the claim that Biological cells which are a factory park of unparalleled gigantic complexity and purposeful adaptive design of interlinked high-tech fabrics, fully automated and self-replicating, directed by genes and epigenetic languages and signalling networks, could emerge by no guiding intelligence, but random unguided lucky accidents.

And yet you have no trouble believing in an infinitely complex Creator that you can't see who exists eternally.

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(December 14, 2019 at 6:12 pm)Otangelo Wrote: No, i dont. Asking for proofs of Gods existence is a silly epistemological approach and demonstrates the lack of understanding on the unbeliever's side how to get sound conclusions on origins.

Really? Great!

Marvin the Amazing Pancake, Creator of the Universe and Lord of Everything, demands your obeisance! Kneel before Marvin or be condemned to The Griddle for Eternity!!!

No, I don't have to prove a word of that rubbish. That would be a "silly epistemological approach demonstrating the lack of understanding on the unbeliever's side."

It always amazes me how much these chumps use the very same burden of proof that they try and dodge.

(December 15, 2019 at 8:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(December 15, 2019 at 7:05 am)Otangelo Wrote: I don't choose to be a theist, I just can not force my brain to accept the claim that Biological cells which are a factory park of unparalleled gigantic complexity and purposeful adaptive design of interlinked high-tech fabrics, fully automated and self-replicating, directed by genes and epigenetic languages and signalling networks, could emerge by no guiding intelligence, but random unguided lucky accidents.

And yet you have no trouble believing in an infinitely complex Creator that you can't see who exists eternally.

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(December 14, 2019 at 6:12 pm)Otangelo Wrote: No, i dont. Asking for proofs of Gods existence is a silly epistemological approach and demonstrates the lack of understanding on the unbeliever's side how to get sound conclusions on origins.

Really? Great!

Marvin the Amazing Pancake, Creator of the Universe and Lord of Everything, demands your obeisance! Kneel before Marvin or be condemned to The Griddle for Eternity!!!

No, I don't have to prove a word of that rubbish. That would be a "silly epistemological approach demonstrating the lack of understanding on the unbeliever's side."

It always amazes me how much these chumps use the very same burden of proof that they try and dodge.

God is a remarkably simple entity. As a non-physical entity, a mind is not composed of parts, and its salient properties, like self-consciousness, rationality, and volition, are essential to it. In contrast to the contingent and variegated universe with all its inexplicable quantities and constants, a divine mind is startlingly simple. Certainly such a mind may have complex ideas—it may be thinking, for example, of the infinitesimal calculus—, but the mind itself is a remarkably simple entity

So more nothing burger

(December 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Otangelo Wrote:

(December 15, 2019 at 8:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: And yet you have no trouble believing in an infinitely complex Creator that you can't see who exists eternally.

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Really? Great!

Marvin the Amazing Pancake, Creator of the Universe and Lord of Everything, demands your obeisance! Kneel before Marvin or be condemned to The Griddle for Eternity!!!

No, I don't have to prove a word of that rubbish. That would be a "silly epistemological approach demonstrating the lack of understanding on the unbeliever's side."

It always amazes me how much these chumps use the very same burden of proof that they try and dodge.

God is a remarkably simple entity. As a non-physical entity, a mind is not composed of parts, and its salient properties, like self-consciousness, rationality, and volition, are essential to it. In contrast to the contingent and variegated universe with all its inexplicable quantities and constants, a divine mind is startlingly simple. Certainly such a mind may have complex ideas—it may be thinking, for example, of the infinitesimal calculus—, but the mind itself is a remarkably simple entity

Yeah, right. The all-powerful, all-knowing, eternal, ineffable, undetectable Creator of the Universe is "simple". Pull the other one, it has bells on for the Holidaze.

The only way in which god is simple is by virtue of being a self-contradictory nonentity.

Now beg for Marvin's Divine Mercy you worthless wretch!

(December 24, 2019 at 9:08 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(December 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Otangelo Wrote: God is a remarkably simple entity. As a non-physical entity, a mind is not composed of parts, and its salient properties, like self-consciousness, rationality, and volition, are essential to it. In contrast to the contingent and variegated universe with all its inexplicable quantities and constants, a divine mind is startlingly simple. Certainly such a mind may have complex ideas—it may be thinking, for example, of the infinitesimal calculus—, but the mind itself is a remarkably simple entity

Yeah, right. The all-powerful, all-knowing, eternal, ineffable, undetectable Creator of the Universe is "simple". Pull the other one, it has bells on for the Holidaze.

The only way in which god is simple is by virtue of being a self-contradictory nonentity.

Now beg for Marvin's Divine Mercy you worthless wretch!

See theists love inventing super powers for there god to solve stuff about him that makes no sense

Yes, it is quite amazing how the religibozos attempt to renovate the Emmentaler sky wizard to accommodate their current insipid viewpoint.

(December 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Otangelo Wrote:

(December 15, 2019 at 8:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: And yet you have no trouble believing in an infinitely complex Creator that you can't see who exists eternally.

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Really? Great!

Marvin the Amazing Pancake, Creator of the Universe and Lord of Everything, demands your obeisance! Kneel before Marvin or be condemned to The Griddle for Eternity!!!

No, I don't have to prove a word of that rubbish. That would be a "silly epistemological approach demonstrating the lack of understanding on the unbeliever's side."

It always amazes me how much these chumps use the very same burden of proof that they try and dodge.

God is a remarkably simple entity. As a non-physical entity, a mind is not composed of parts, and its salient properties, like self-consciousness, rationality, and volition, are essential to it. In contrast to the contingent and variegated universe with all its inexplicable quantities and constants, a divine mind is startlingly simple. Certainly such a mind may have complex ideas—it may be thinking, for example, of the infinitesimal calculus—, but the mind itself is a remarkably simple entity

Ah, a quote from the idiotic William Lane Craig.

I have no idea why you think this might impress anyone here. We all know WLC is a dishonest snake oil salesman already.

In any event, you now find yourself claiming that your god is trivially simple and not at all complex and furthermore, that complexity can arise from simplicity. Accordingly, ID is false, since it claims that complexity cannot possibly arise from simpler origins.

(December 24, 2019 at 10:09 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(December 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Otangelo Wrote: God is a remarkably simple entity. As a non-physical entity, a mind is not composed of parts, and its salient properties, like self-consciousness, rationality, and volition, are essential to it. In contrast to the contingent and variegated universe with all its inexplicable quantities and constants, a divine mind is startlingly simple. Certainly such a mind may have complex ideas—it may be thinking, for example, of the infinitesimal calculus—, but the mind itself is a remarkably simple entity

Ah, a quote from the idiotic William Lane Craig.

I have no idea why you think this might impress anyone here. We all know WLC is a dishonest snake oil salesman already.

In any event, you now find yourself claiming that your god is trivially simple and not at all complex and furthermore, that complexity can arise from simplicity. Accordingly, ID is false, since it claims that complexity cannot possibly arise from simpler origins.

Because quoting charlatans is the apologist way

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(December 24, 2019 at 10:09 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(December 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Otangelo Wrote: God is a remarkably simple entity. As a non-physical entity, a mind is not composed of parts, and its salient properties, like self-consciousness, rationality, and volition, are essential to it. In contrast to the contingent and variegated universe with all its inexplicable quantities and constants, a divine mind is startlingly simple. Certainly such a mind may have complex ideas—it may be thinking, for example, of the infinitesimal calculus—, but the mind itself is a remarkably simple entity

Ah, a quote from the idiotic William Lane Craig.

I have no idea why you think this might impress anyone here. We all know WLC is a dishonest snake oil salesman already.

In any event, you now find yourself claiming that your god is trivially simple and not at all complex and furthermore, that complexity can arise from simplicity. Accordingly, ID is false, since it claims that complexity cannot possibly arise from simpler origins.

Because quoting charlatans is the apologist way

(December 24, 2019 at 10:09 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(December 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Otangelo Wrote: God is a remarkably simple entity. As a non-physical entity, a mind is not composed of parts, and its salient properties, like self-consciousness, rationality, and volition, are essential to it. In contrast to the contingent and variegated universe with all its inexplicable quantities and constants, a divine mind is startlingly simple. Certainly such a mind may have complex ideas—it may be thinking, for example, of the infinitesimal calculus—, but the mind itself is a remarkably simple entity

Ah, a quote from the idiotic William Lane Craig.

Is that who that bollocks is from?

Attribution Motherfucker!

On a more philosophical note, any being that is "simple" by comparison to you is going to be incapable of envisioning you, much less Creating you from nothingness, much less accomplishing that same feat for the entire universe.

(December 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm)Otangelo Wrote: God is a remarkably simple entity.

Weird

How can such a simple entity create such a complex thing like the universe? Werent you one of those who alyways claimed that complexity is a hallmark of design? If god is so simple, i bet there is something more complex that created him. Something super-non-physical and super-slef-conscious, you know.