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[Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated

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[Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
January 6, 2020 at 9:45 pm
(January 6, 2020 at 1:10 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(January 5, 2020 at 9:39 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Rome's Senate was made of rich Senators elected by rich Senators. It was never a democracy.

And you still haven't told us when the Romans fulfilled this prophecy. Their empire is dust.

The Roman empire's center fell; but its legacy thrived and hundreds of civilizations carried out its method.
If you wanted to see the Roman overcoming of ages look at the U.S.

I don't call the "leaving of proxies" a decisive fall.

That doesn't sound like much of a triumph and that makes this prophecy a load of bunk.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
January 6, 2020 at 10:16 pm
(January 6, 2020 at 9:45 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(January 6, 2020 at 1:10 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The Roman empire's center fell; but its legacy thrived and hundreds of civilizations carried out its method.
If you wanted to see the Roman overcoming of ages look at the U.S.

I don't call the "leaving of proxies" a decisive fall.

That doesn't sound like much of a triumph and that makes this prophecy a load of bunk.

Roman proxies did triumph to the degree of owning atomic bombs and form their own international system. It is a long-term victory.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
January 6, 2020 at 11:19 pm (This post was last modified: January 6, 2020 at 11:20 pm by WinterHold.)
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
January 7, 2020 at 12:56 am (This post was last modified: January 7, 2020 at 1:07 am by Anomalocaris.)
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
January 7, 2020 at 4:33 am
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
January 7, 2020 at 5:58 am (This post was last modified: January 7, 2020 at 5:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
A fun convo and all...but the US doesn't bear any resemblance to rome, anyway. The comparison is more a term of art than anything else. Why can't magic book ever get shit right? Or is it you, Atlas?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
January 8, 2020 at 7:34 pm
(January 6, 2020 at 10:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(January 6, 2020 at 9:45 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: That doesn't sound like much of a triumph and that makes this prophecy a load of bunk.

Roman proxies did triumph to the degree of owning atomic bombs and form their own international system. It is a long-term victory.

Those aren't Roman proxies, they're Rome's distant descendants. You can't have proxies if you're vanquished and your empire ground to dust. It makes more sense to claim that America is Mexican (All Hail Huītzilōpōchtli!) than Roman, not that either would be sensible.

Read that verse again. Does it say Roman proxies? Roman descendants? No. It says "Romans" straight out. Congrats on showing yet one more way that the Quran is wrong.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: (2) The Romans have been defeated
January 9, 2020 at 9:30 am
(January 7, 2020 at 5:58 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: A fun convo and all...but the US doesn't bear any resemblance to rome, anyway.  The comparison is more a term of art than anything else.  Why can't magic book ever get shit right?  Or is it you, Atlas?

Dunno, is your plumbing made of lead, like the plumbum used by romans? The existence of your current Prez and a lot of supporters point that way. Saturnism is a thing.
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