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[Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 11, 2020 at 3:37 am)WinterHold Wrote: This verse from the Quran is very well known,


Quote:Sura 2, The Quan:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 256 )   There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

Taghut = disbelief

The verse can't be clearer: isn't this identical to the secular rule that prevents the enforcing of belief on anybody?

Freedom of belief is guaranteed in Islam under the protection of this verse. The Quran is God's word; so no Muslim has the right to cross it.

If there is no compulsion to adhere to Islam, then tell me what happens to those born of Muslims who stray away from Islam?
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#32
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 8:52 am)LastPoet Wrote: The null hypothesis is the existence of afterlife? Hilarious

(March 12, 2020 at 9:05 am)Mr Greene Wrote: Clearly the meaning of null hypothesis has slipped past him. Bwahahahaha!!!

In a world where God exists - this is an Islam topic, remember -, afterlife not existing is far more unlikely. Therefore, the null hypothesis is indeed that there is an afterlife.

Time for school now, kids.
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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#33
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
The topic being Islam does not make Islam the null hypothesis. The null hypothesis is always that the explanation for something is chance until shown otherwise. It is usually used to determine whether a statistical relationship is significant. Colloquially, it means that you presume something not to be real until evidence sufficient to justify accepting it as real is shown.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#34
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 8:43 am)Klorophyll Wrote:
(March 11, 2020 at 3:37 am)WinterHold Wrote: Taghut = disbelief

That's false. Taghut' means any object of worship other than God, it's certainly not disbelief per se.

(March 11, 2020 at 3:37 am)WinterHold Wrote: The verse can't be clearer: isn't this identical to the secular rule that prevents the enforcing of belief on anybody?

Islam is literally the last religion one can hope to secularize, it just won't happen.

So much the worse for Islam, then.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#35
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 9:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The topic being Islam does not make Islam the null hypothesis. The null hypothesis is always that the explanation for something is chance until shown otherwise. It is usually used to determine whether a statistical relationship is significant. Colloquially, it means that you presume something not to be real until evidence sufficient to justify accepting it as real is shown.

We're discussing Qur'anic minutiae here, it's pathetic for anyone to jump in these topics just to show off how much he knows about some statstical concept, especially when we use it colloquially.

There is more freedom when choosing the null hypothesis than what you're implying. It certainly doesn't mean "the explanation for something is chance" because it really depends on the context.

Also, as I said, in a world with God, the default position really is that there is an afterlife.

(March 12, 2020 at 9:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: So much the worse for Islam, then.

Boru

We can handle it.
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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#36
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
Maybe you should just avoid using terms you don't understand. That's what I do.


null hy·poth·e·sis
/nəl hīˈpäTHəsəs/
noun
noun: null hypothesis; plural noun: null hypotheses
(in a statistical test) the hypothesis that there is no significant difference between specified populations, any observed difference being due to sampling or experimental error.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#37
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 9:35 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Maybe you should just avoid using terms you don't understand. That's what I do.


null hy·poth·e·sis
/nəl hīˈpäTHəsəs/
noun
noun: null hypothesis; plural noun: null hypotheses
(in a statistical test) the hypothesis that there is no significant difference between specified populations, any observed difference being due to sampling or experimental error.

Where does this definition say : "The null hypothesis is always that the explanation for something is chance". That's your definition of the null hypothesis.

You should stop accusing people of not understanding something, when you clearly don't yourself.
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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#38
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 8:43 am)Klorophyll Wrote: most cherished beliefs is worse than killing him. If someone mocks beliefs publicly with the intent of causing political distress, he's commiting Fitna', a more serious crime than murder according to the Qur'an.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-60077-p...pid1947915

Quote: Wrote:Klorophyll Wrote:


Again, I deny the existence of a verse who mentions apostasy. I know it's enforced and I know it's there in the Islamic jurisprudence based on an authentic hadith.
And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.

Do you know what is worse than killing?
Promoting for the killing of innocents online like a bitch.
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#39
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 9:50 am)WinterHold Wrote: Do you know what is worse than killing?
Promoting for the killing of innocents online like a bitch.

Thank you for this very thoughtful *Qur'anic reflection*.
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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#40
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 9:55 am)Klorophyll Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 9:50 am)WinterHold Wrote: Do you know what is worse than killing?
Promoting for the killing of innocents online like a bitch.

Thank you for this very thoughtful *Qur'anic reflection*.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-60077-p...pid1947915

Quote: Wrote: Wrote:Klorophyll Wrote:


Again, I deny the existence of a verse who mentions apostasy. I know it's enforced and I know it's there in the Islamic jurisprudence based on an authentic hadith.
And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.

Do you know what is worse than killing?
Promoting for the killing of innocents online like a bitch.
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