Letting the old geezers croak seems like a really good idea -today.......


Wanna bet eventually they'll change their thoughts on the subject?


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There is the small fact that younger people are surviving more often because they respond better to mechanical ventilation.
Overwhelm the health services and ventilation won't be available...
This is why the full effects of the pandemic are expected to be seen in developing countries with weaker health systems.
In New York they're already having to make the decision as who gets ventilation and who does not.

(April 6, 2020 at 2:16 am)Agnostico Wrote: I'm not the only person here that feels that way, it's an opinion that is becoming more popular by the day as the links below show

Australia has had only 39 deaths from C19, that's less than 0.7% fatality rate
You people don't even know this and without offering any suggestions or addressing anything i said a lot of you just resorted to ad hominems.
Yet the government says this lock down will continue for 6 months

Outside of the cities there is hardly no C19 cases, in fact large sections of rural Australia have remained unaffected by C19. Why should these country towns make such great sacrifices? Loose their jobs, businesses, lively hoods and become homeless for what?

Why should everyone be in lock down when it's only the sick/elderly that need to be locked down?
Why must people become homeless for not being able to pay rent when it's the sick/elderly that need to be taking precautions
And yes i know there are some rare cases of younger people dying

So while it's easy for people to empathize with what they are seeing now with C19, there aren't many people that understand what is about to happen after this. People seem to think that everything will go back to how it was, that no one will be effected by all this. There will be more deaths in the aftermath than with C19 in Australia, real tragic deaths to young people who never even got a chance in this life

I don't want anyone to die but we have a situation where death is inevitable and so need to make triage based decisions
Ending the lives of tens of thousands of young people to save the lives of 40 old people is a ludicrous proposition.
Taiwan has the same population as here and is next to China yet they handled the situation without closing down anything. They've taken measures that the west hasn't even considered

As for the boomers im yet to see any of them show any level of appreciation for people making such sacrifices
I do however see many of them whining and moaning about this and that
I challenge anyone to show me an example of such appreciation being shown by boomers

People who haven't considered this view that many of us Aussies have are being very narrow minded as this is an unprecedented event that has no correct course of action and so all options need to be considered 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RAJ3cwKyhc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNpltWv2_M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gww3J7D8pj0

Who cares how many agree it's an awful opinion that's only worthy of contempt and condemnation

(April 6, 2020 at 8:09 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Letting the old geezers croak seems like a really good idea -today.......


Wanna bet eventually they'll change their thoughts on the subject?


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Come get me. Bring help.

Trump is really working hard to sell those Trump branded coffins

(April 6, 2020 at 8:46 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Trump is really working hard to sell those Trump branded coffins

I would consider that to be an IQ test.

The trump admin already bought a bunch of the shit with taxpayer dollars while refusing to procure needed supplies with those same funds.

Yes, Agonstico, I know there are other people who think the same as you. That’s the fucking problem. America’s president thinks similar to you and as a result, we have more cases than anyone else.

And has it ever occurred to you that the reason Taiwan was able to even take those measures is because they acted with foresight and tried to work on ways to contain the problem before it got to them, something most Western governments failed to do?

arewethereyet Wrote:Tell us how your views would be different, if they would be, if the age group most vulnerable was 20-49.

Quote:Are you going to demand the sacrifice of their lives for those older and younger?

If the deaths were of people between 20-40yo then i would say the same thing, those people remain home. If the ages were 0-20, same thing, stay home
No where did i demand the death of anyone, in fact i specifically said i don't want anyone to die

(April 6, 2020 at 4:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:You people don't even know this and without offering any suggestions or addressing anything i said a lot of you just resorted to ad hominems.

No one has used an ad hominem. Let me explain:

An ad hominem would be the claim that your arguments are invalid because of you, as in, 'The idea that people should be allowed to die for purely economic reasons is wrong because Agnostico is a cunt.'

What's happened in this thread is that people are calling you a cunt because of your arguments. Quite a difference.

Boru

I never said people should be allowed to die for economic reasons. Not once did I use the word economy.



This is the definition of ad hominem on google

adjective: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining


Posts that are calling me this or that without addressing any of my points are ad hominem. Its attacking the man instead of the argument.


Points that no one addressed is the fact that less than 40 people have died here in Australia, u know. Not thousands or hundreds, just 40
I mentioned the government plans 6 months of this
I mentioned that people will become homeless and have to battle and live it tough on the streets for the rest of their lives
Another point i made is that more lives are likely to end if we have this 6 month lock down
I never said to drop all restrictions and reopen it all like it was
Instead im saying some businesses can start re opening under the same conditions which Taiwan used
The methods used by eastern countries like Taiwan to keep their death ratio so low
Another major point is all the country area, far from the cities that remain unaffected.
I mentioned that this is unprecedented and options need to be discussed


Then i linked three different reputable media programs from here in Australia talking about it with experts, giving a lot more lines of reasoning than i gave
No one bothered to address any of it. None of the points i made and none of the points the analysts made either
If some one disagrees then make a case or at least refer to one of the points

At the very least answer this; 
When can we (Australians) start re opening some industries? 
Is it when the death ratio gets down to 1 per day (which is what Australia is at). Is it when the death ratio is at 1 per week?
What's your measure of when people can start getting back to work? 

The low figures in Australia means that there is a discussion about it here
In America and many European countries the death toll is way too high to be talking about this yet. Maybe that why people getting triggered

Try imagine your country down the track when the death ratio drops to one per day, full nation locked down, when should restrictions start getting lifted?
It's a serious question that every country will eventually have to answer, when can people start living again?
It has to happen eventually, when?

You have no points 

We only need to condemn his position .Because that's all it's worth .