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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 3:38 pm
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(April 17, 2020 at 3:28 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: This popular nonsense arises from a basic confusion between the Arabic words idtajaa' and dajaa' , the first one simply meaning to lie somewhere, while the other means intercourse, which isn't mentioned anywhere in the... not very authentic hadith  .The hadith reporting that has a very weak chain of narrators, it's not authentic at all. Even if it was, it would simply mean Muhammad' lied on someone's grave to remind himself of death and resurrection.
So first you claim that there's nothing bad in Hadiths but that some people don't know how to read them, and then you dismiss Hadiths as not authentic and non reliable. So again you are being dishonest and contradict yourself. The only person you are lying to is yourself.
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 3:40 pm
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(April 17, 2020 at 3:28 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(April 17, 2020 at 3:20 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: So exactly like John Smith before moving to Salt Lake City then..
I don't recall John Smith blatantly challenging every English speaker alive to come up with a book similar to his. Nor that he encountered opposition of the military kind.
He was charged with treason vs. the US. That would in effect be military opposition.
So your claim rests on how many chimps with typewriters it would take to produce the book he didn't write?
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 3:53 pm
(April 17, 2020 at 3:38 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: So first you claim that there's nothing bad in Hadiths but that some people don't know how to read them, and then you dismiss Hadiths as not authentic and non reliable. So again you are being dishonest and contradict yourself. The only person you are lying to is yourself.
Clearly, you have absolutely no conception of the authenticity of hadiths, namely, that there are different levels of authenticity. The one you're mentioning is on the top bottom. And my guess would be you didn't even read the hadith you're referring to..... am I right?
Until you do some research, I suggest you refrain from defending this nonsense, you just don't know what you're talking about.
(April 17, 2020 at 3:40 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: He was charged with treason vs. the US. That would in effect be military opposition.
Still, it's difficult to compare his case to Muhammad's. It's already clear to academics how Joseph Smith composed his book. Regarding Muhammad, I was looking for good explanations of his revelations for years now and I found nothing compelling.
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 5:03 pm
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(April 17, 2020 at 3:38 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: (April 17, 2020 at 3:28 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: This popular nonsense arises from a basic confusion between the Arabic words idtajaa' and dajaa' , the first one simply meaning to lie somewhere, while the other means intercourse, which isn't mentioned anywhere in the... not very authentic hadith .The hadith reporting that has a very weak chain of narrators, it's not authentic at all. Even if it was, it would simply mean Muhammad' lied on someone's grave to remind himself of death and resurrection.
So first you claim that there's nothing bad in Hadiths but that some people don't know how to read them, and then you dismiss Hadiths as not authentic and non reliable. So again you are being dishonest and contradict yourself. The only person you are lying to is yourself. It's invalid because he and his "scholars" don't like it
It's mistranslated because he and his "scholars" don't like it
All he can do is call you ignorant because he can quote some apologist talking point lol
And his babble about how the books came about is irrelevant.
I love how when one of his points gets knocked down his response is either to call you ignorant or jump to another failed or irrelevant point
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 5:16 pm
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(April 17, 2020 at 3:53 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I found nothing compelling.
Keep that thought in mind.
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 6:18 pm
A theist seeking evidence to refute his religion is like a thief seeking out the cops
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 6:26 pm
Hubcap thief?
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 6:29 pm
(April 17, 2020 at 6:26 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Hubcap thief?
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 7:18 pm
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(April 17, 2020 at 2:08 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: (April 17, 2020 at 1:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What difference does it make if Mohammad raided caravans?? Jesus was a fanatic who physically attacked people, Moses was a murderer, blah blah blah.
None of these has any bearing on whether ANY of these people had a direct line to God.
Tell that to all the other members of this board. Apparently their only problem with Muhammad is that he killed people. Whether he was right in doing so... they don't care.
Negatron, that would be Atlas' problem. It bothers him that Big Mo was a typical 7th century warlord. He thinks that sunni and shia liars are behind this historic inaccuracy™, lol.
I don't mind sending rounds downrange myself, and I note that it just wasn't a problem for islam or muslims these last 1400 years or so.
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RE: Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?
April 17, 2020 at 8:29 pm
(April 17, 2020 at 7:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (April 17, 2020 at 2:08 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Tell that to all the other members of this board. Apparently their only problem with Muhammad is that he killed people. Whether he was right in doing so... they don't care.
Negatron, that would be Atlas' problem. It bothers him that Big Mo was a typical 7th century warlord. He thinks that sunni and shia liars are behind this historic inaccuracy™, lol.
I don't mind sending rounds downrange myself, and I note that it just wasn't a problem for islam or muslims these last 1400 years or so.
-If you've spent years looking for a good explanation for islam and still haven't found one, you never will. I'd suggest you pick up some other book. In the meantime, deal with your boy. You aren't arguing with any of us. As Boru pointed out, the alleged founders of a great many religions also just so happened to be hilariously shitty people. Even here, Big Mo fails to raise above the bar for a common loon. No no grand it's all the wicked godless ones fault 
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