(May 8, 2020 at 11:30 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(May 8, 2020 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: ah, no. Sin link to morality only represents 1/3 of what sin is. when look at as a whole sin is a completely different construct.

I think that you may be missing the point that there is no sin.

You: there are no toe-maugh-toes, only toe-mate-toes. Do you people really fool yourselves with this bs?
Is it still wrong to steal in your snowflaklandia? would it be wrong for me to openly lust after your wife? would it be wrong to rape her? would it be wrong to hate you and set your house of fire because i wanted but could not have all you do? is it wrong to blaspheme what you have been taught to be holy? can i say global warming is a hoax, that's like taking the lords name in vain right??? what about LGBT people really suffer from mental disorders. That's the big one right that's the blaspheming the holy spirit. what about having no other god than science? isn't that why you debate religious?

You douche bags are mirror images of everything you hate. You are what you hate in us. only to the opposite ninth degree. Rather than sin it is morality I instead of being a sinner you can call me immoral, but i do not bow down to your god so would you like to make me concede would you not like to make me accept lgbtqrstuvs? again sin morality it's the same on;y sin has 2 more dimensions to it. one includes a way to find forgiveness.

Quote: Discussing the nature of sin is thus similar to trying to figure out unicorn genetics.

as just demonstrated if sin is such a mystery, this topic is to sophisticated for you or you force a needless complexity onto this subject so you do not feel obligated to discuss it..

Which means can say homosexuals all share a mental disorder. as there is not genetic reason for their choices. and not offend any one because there is no cross correlation between sin and morality. gotcha

Quote:there is not
That's one of the main reasons that your Youtube videos are so tiresome. They all elaborate on the fine details of a Deity that you've failed to demonstrate exists in the first place. It's like a treatise on plausible mechanisms for dragon fire that fails to establish the existence of dragons.

over 1/3 of the people on this planet can manifest enough evidence for them to believe what they experienced to be true about not only God but the bible itself.

if you are broken or missing a sense or a specific mental aqueity how is it that i am to proove something you can not see or hear? If you eye were broken how can i proove the color blue? if your ears were broken how could i convey the deafening silence being broken by a pin drop? You right now are incomplete. and the only thing that can fix you is God but you must seek him on his terms. if you do It is him who will show you the color blue or you will hear that pin drop. the more you know going into this experience the more than can be shared.

or remain deaf dumb and blind to the world. you 4%ers think you all have it figured out anyway, who am i to say this is not enough

(May 11, 2020 at 4:48 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 8, 2020 at 11:30 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: I think that you may be missing the point that there is no sin.

You: there are no toe-maugh-toes, only toe-mate-toes.

Me: There's no vegetable patch.

Quote:Is it still wrong to steal in your snowflaklandia? would it be wrong for me to openly lust after your wife? would it be wrong to rape her? would it be wrong to hate you and set your house of fire because i wanted but could not have all you do?

Congratulations on discovering the social contract. I invite you to consider the life expectancy of any society that permits what you suggest above.

I think that I may also have mentioned how acting like a raging jack-ass detracts from your points. All you've done so far is convince me that I wouldn't want to worship any god that had a hand in creating your warped and stunted excuse for a soul.

Quote:is it wrong to blaspheme what you have been taught to be holy?

Fill your boots. Blasphemy is an imaginary crime against an imaginary victim.

Quote:can i say global warming is a hoax, that's like taking the lords name in vain right???

Not even vaguely similar. Can I point and laugh?

Quote:what about LGBT people really suffer from mental disorders. That's the big one right that's the blaspheming the holy spirit.

If you want to parade your ignorance, pettiness and bigotry I'm hardly going to stop you.

Quote:what about having no other god than science? isn't that why you debate religious?

Zero for three. You aren't very good at this are you? Find me somebody who worships science that way and I'll point and laugh at them too.

Quote:You douche bags are mirror images of everything you hate. You are what you hate in us. only to the opposite ninth degree.

Wow! Somebody's doing some Olympic grade projecting there.

Quote:Rather than sin it is morality I instead of being a sinner you can call me immoral

It isn't our fault that religion couldn't figure out basic morality.

Quote:but i do not bow down to your god so would you like to make me concede would you not like to make me accept lgbtqrstuvs?

I don't much care what you do. You're the one who's going to look like an asshole.

Quote:again sin morality it's the same on;y sin has 2 more dimensions to it. one includes a way to find forgiveness.

No, it really isn't.

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Quote:Discussing the nature of sin is thus similar to trying to figure out unicorn genetics.

as just demonstrated

The only thing that you just demonstrated is that you can't manage to hold a civil discussion. Everything else was a heap of bald assertions that you didn't even bother to tie together.

Quote:if sin is such a mystery, this topic is to sophisticated for you or you force a needless complexity onto this subject so you do not feel obligated to discuss it..

What's mysterious about not existing? Except as superstitious nonsense?

Quote:Which means can say homosexuals all share a mental disorder. as there is not genetic reason for their choices.

Sure, if you want to look like the sort of idiot that is the inevitable result of a few generations of sibling marriages.

Quote:and not offend any one because there is no cross correlation between sin and morality.

None whatsoever, sin being imaginary. There is a pretty strong correlation between morality and offending people that you seem to have missed. There's also a strong correlation between those and people telling you to jam a splintery broomstick up your ass sideways. Here's a fun experiment you can try. Rent a billboard outside your business and post this screed in its entirety. Then just kick back and watch morality happen.

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Quote:That's one of the main reasons that your Youtube videos are so tiresome. They all elaborate on the fine details of a Deity that you've failed to demonstrate exists in the first place. It's like a treatise on plausible mechanisms for dragon fire that fails to establish the existence of dragons.

over 1/3 of the people on this planet can manifest enough evidence for them to believe what they experienced to be true about not only God but the bible itself.

Double fail. Argument from popularity and 2/3rds of the planet thinks you're wrong.

Believers do not prove the existence of their belief. If they did we'd be hip-deep in godlings of every flavour.

Quote:if you are broken or missing a sense or a specific mental aqueity how is it that i am to proove something you can not see or hear? If you eye were broken how can i proove the color blue? if your ears were broken how could i convey the deafening silence being broken by a pin drop? You right now are incomplete. and the only thing that can fix you is God but you must seek him on his terms. if you do It is him who will show you the color blue or you will hear that pin drop. the more you know going into this experience the more than can be shared.

I'm broken because I can't hear the voices in your head.

Quote:or remain deaf dumb and blind to the world.

What colour is the sky in your world?

Sounds to me like drich has made his god an excuse to live an immoral life. Typical.

Yes, his bigotry has epic levels, almost supernatural in its scope.

(May 12, 2020 at 1:05 am)Paleophyte Wrote:

(May 11, 2020 at 4:48 pm)Drich Wrote: You: there are no toe-maugh-toes, only toe-mate-toes.

you: There's no vegetable patch.

Me: I was using the dialectal differences in the pronunciation of the word tomato to describe the difference between sin and your word morality. as they mean the same thing, just held to a different standard.

Quote:Is it still wrong to steal in your snowflaklandia? would it be wrong for me to openly lust after your wife? would it be wrong to rape her? would it be wrong to hate you and set your house of fire because i wanted but could not have all you do?

Quote:Congratulations on discovering the social contract. I invite you to consider the life expectancy of any society that permits what you suggest above.

I think that I may also have mentioned how acting like a raging jack-ass detracts from your points. All you've done so far is convince me that I wouldn't want to worship any god that had a hand in creating your warped and stunted excuse for a soul.

me: see point made you do understand what sin is despite you feigning ignorance (Which btw is your version of acting like a raging jackass which detracts fro your points.) can't you see the cycle? I make a middle of the road point you do not want to acknowledge then i must step up the scenario to force your compliance. and all you remember is forced compliance, you never remember your own selective passive aggressive ignorance.

Quote:what about LGBT people really suffer from mental disorders. That's the big one right that's the blaspheming the holy spirit.

Quote:It isn't our fault that religion couldn't figure out basic morality.

no one has it figured out dummy it is an ever changing standard. in 10 years your morality will be seen as high crimes against humanity if we go further left or go back right. either way it will not remain static.

Quote:but i do not bow down to your god so would you like to make me concede would you not like to make me accept lgbtqrstuvs?

Quote:I don't much care what you do. You're the one who's going to look like an asshole.

perfect response. exactly what i was looking for.
as you judged my question as being out of step with the standard you have in your mind.

Now, how is sin DIFFERENT. not asking you to define anything as that is the lazy minds easy out. i ask a very specific and direct question please provide that answer and not some ad hom.

Prove to me that 'sin' has an ontological existence.

(May 12, 2020 at 10:34 am)Sal Wrote: Prove to me that 'sin' has an ontological existence.

Ontology:

noun

1. 1.
   the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being.
   
   
   
2. 2.
   a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.
   "what's new about our ontology is that it is created automatically from large datasets"
   

google dictionary

so we can proof existence as you can with a being. rather the second definition would take hold which only has us compare sin and it nearest accepted relitive morality.

I've already done this with palophyte

here:

Bich, bich, bich.

(May 12, 2020 at 10:25 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 12, 2020 at 1:05 am)Paleophyte Wrote: you: There's no vegetable patch.

Me: I was using the dialectal differences in the pronunciation of the word tomato to describe the difference between sin and your word morality. as they mean the same thing, just held to a different standard.

And I was extending that analogy to reflect the fact that I don't believe in the concept regardless of the accent one pronounces it with.

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Quote:Is it still wrong to steal in your snowflaklandia? would it be wrong for me to openly lust after your wife? would it be wrong to rape her? would it be wrong to hate you and set your house of fire because i wanted but could not have all you do?

Congratulations on discovering the social contract. I invite you to consider the life expectancy of any society that permits what you suggest above.

I think that I may also have mentioned how acting like a raging jack-ass detracts from your points. All you've done so far is convince me that I wouldn't want to worship any god that had a hand in creating your warped and stunted excuse for a soul.

me: see point made you do understand what sin is

Yah, it's nonexistant.

Quote:despite you feigning ignorance

Stating that something does not exist is hardly feigning ignorance.

Quote:(Which btw is your version of acting like a raging jackass which detracts fro your points.) can't you see the cycle?

Is this the bit where you blame me for your bigoted ravings?

Quote:I make a middle of the road point you do not want to acknowledge

You made a point that I disagreed with.

Quote:then i must step up the scenario to force your compliance.

You don't have to do any such thing. Attempting to "force compliance" during a conversation is a red flag for a closed mind and an inability to hold a civil discussion.

Quote:and all you remember is forced compliance, you never remember your own selective passive aggressive ignorance.

Yup, this is the bit where you blame me for your inability to not fly off the handle. I'd call it victim blaming if you weren't so obviously the victim.

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Quote:It isn't our fault that religion couldn't figure out basic morality.

no one has it figured out dummy it is an ever changing standard. in 10 years your morality will be seen as high crimes against humanity if we go further left or go back right. either way it will not remain static.

God forfend that our morals change and grow. Clearly we should base our morality on the mistranslated, selectively edited, heavily corrupted ravings of bronze-age goat herders.

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Quote:but i do not bow down to your god so would you like to make me concede would you not like to make me accept lgbtqrstuvs?

I don't much care what you do. You're the one who's going to look like an asshole.

perfect response. exactly what i was looking for.
as you judged my question as being out of step with the standard you have in your mind.

Yes? And? It's curious to me that a group who cherry-picks scripture to fit their prejudices and agendas has such a difficult time understanding the moral relativity that you so clearly practice.

Quote:Now, how is sin DIFFERENT. not asking you to define anything as that is the lazy minds easy out. i ask a very specific and direct question please provide that answer and not some ad hom.

It's rich that you're asking me to avoid the ad hominem but I suppose that is literally your middle name.

Unlike sin, morality evolves and changes with circumstance. The moral precepts that governed 7th century BC Judea and 1st century AD Israel aren't what you want to use to govern global civilization 2020. Most of us have gotten past stoning people.

Unlike sin, morality requires no higher power. It's all about how you interact with society.

Unlike sin, we can demonstrate that morality actually exists.

I trust this answers your question.

Fun question - what makes sin sinful, if not what makes wrongs wrong?

I'd contend that sin is a parasitic concept which has no meaning apart from moral agency. In the wider view, it doesn't really matter that people can get their list of sinful things wrong - no more so than it matters that people can get their list of moral things wrong - often for the same reasons in both cases. Sin has changed as morality has changed. It's difficult to understand why this would be so absent an inextricable relationship between the two.