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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 4:56 am
Oh, is that why the seventh ring is full of homo-sexers? Is this why teh joos are burning and why there are mosques in the city of dis? I always wondered.
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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 5:08 am
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Quote:Anyway, this is getting away from the point I was making earlier: Dante's conception of sin is not a random collection of prejudices or arbitrary commandments, but a systematic conception of how human behavior diverges from what's in our own best interests.
Dante's conception of sin was nothing more or less than the expression of cultural matrix he found himself in. He was heavily influenced by his experiences in the Guelph-Ghibelline conflict and his writing was a reflection of that.
In any case, I doubt very much that the work of an embittered poet should count for very much in a discussion of the nature of sin.
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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 5:17 am
If a person wants to understand the nature of sin, they'd have to turn to the classical pagan narratives buttressing the christ myth. Sin is miasma, a contagious power with an independent life. Until purged by the sacrificial death of the wrongdooer, society would be chronically infected with catastrophe.
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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 5:19 am
(April 30, 2020 at 5:17 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If a person wants to understand the nature of sin, they'd have to turn to the classical pagan narratives buttressing the christ myth. Sin is miasma, a contagious power with an independent life. Until purged by the sacrificial death of the wrongdooer, society would be chronically infected with catastrophe.
So, not a 14th century Florentine poet, then?
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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 5:37 am
Well, he certainly made the connection explicitly. Geri de Bello shakes a threatening finger at Dante for the family debt of an un-avenged death while they cross a bridge that reminds him of the smell of rotting human flesh and bodies cramming hospitals, scaling each other like fish.
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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 7:28 am
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(April 29, 2020 at 5:47 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Neither do I. Neither do a surprisingly large number of Christians. "Sky tyrant" is not an accurate description of the God of Dante, Aquinas, Augustine, Boehme, Blake, etc.
Actually God is a tyrant in relation to heaven because you can't get to heaven if you commit a thought crime - if you think differently you get brutally tortured. And it doesn't help your case to mention Aquinas and Augustine because they were also advocating brutally extreme punishments for people who think differently.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 9:08 am
I was reminded yesterday of the saying "the world behaves exactly as it would if there were no god" - works for me. Imagining there is god seems akin to imagining there is an invisible, tasteless odorless chicken thigh served alongside your roast beef dinner. No evidence for it and WHY!!!?!?!???
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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 5:26 pm
(April 30, 2020 at 9:08 am)Editz Wrote: I was reminded yesterday of the saying "the world behaves exactly as it would if there were no god" - works for me. Imagining there is god seems akin to imagining there is an invisible, tasteless odorless chicken thigh served alongside your roast beef dinner. No evidence for it and WHY!!!?!?!???
Ah, but we're going to charge you extra for that intangible chicken. Don't worry, it means you get to eat all the bacon you want after you die.
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RE: the nature of sin
April 30, 2020 at 6:01 pm
If there was a Christian god wouldn't he consider making Christians look like stupid assholes a sin?
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RE: the nature of sin
May 4, 2020 at 2:12 pm
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(April 30, 2020 at 9:08 am)Editz Wrote: I was reminded yesterday of the saying "the world behaves exactly as it would if there were no god" - works for me. Imagining there is god seems akin to imagining there is an invisible, tasteless odorless chicken thigh served alongside your roast beef dinner. No evidence for it and WHY!!!?!?!??? Because this world is not God's kingdom. this world belongs to Satan. Ever said the lord's prayer? if this was God's domain why are we then instructed to pray Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?
Hell is not Satan's realm this world is.
Hell is the death of all that is evil in this world.
(April 30, 2020 at 6:01 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: If there was a Christian god wouldn't he consider making Christians look like stupid assholes a sin?
I think that is simply a natural consequence of sin.. (be weary of an easy set up, it might be a double bladed sword)
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