(May 16, 2020 at 9:57 am)Klorophyll Wrote: ...Muhammad can say some important stuff to his companions many times in different ways-...

Then you, or anyone, can't really state precisely just what the hell he was talking about.

It must be very difficult when you have to fight this hard to justify a fantasy.

(May 16, 2020 at 2:16 pm)brewer Wrote:

(May 16, 2020 at 9:57 am)Klorophyll Wrote: ...Muhammad can say some important stuff to his companions many times in different ways-...

Then you, or anyone, can't really state precisely just what the hell he was talking about.

It must be very difficult when you have to fight this hard to justify a fantasy.

And the worst part is despite all the different ways he said it . It still fails to be precise.

(May 16, 2020 at 3:28 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(May 16, 2020 at 2:16 pm)brewer Wrote: Then you, or anyone, can't really state precisely just what the hell he was talking about.

It must be very difficult when you have to fight this hard to justify a fantasy.

And the worst part is despite all the different ways he said it . It still fails to be precise.

Well, that’s clearly our fault, not the Prophet’s. We’ve fallen into the anti-Islamic trap of expecting words to mean what they mean. See, for all of my life, I thought ‘barefoot’ meant ‘without footwear’, but it turns out that it means ‘naked’. But ‘naked’ doesn’t mean ‘naked’ it means ‘wearing some clothing, but not a lot, because you live in the desert’.

I feel a right Charlie, I do.

Boru

(May 16, 2020 at 3:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 16, 2020 at 3:28 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: And the worst part is despite all the different ways he said it . It still fails to be precise.

Well, that’s clearly our fault, not the Prophet’s. We’ve fallen into the anti-Islamic trap of expecting words to mean what they mean. See, for all of my life, I thought ‘barefoot’ meant ‘without footwear’, but it turns out that it means ‘naked’. But ‘naked’ doesn’t mean ‘naked’ it means ‘wearing some clothing, but not a lot, because you live in the desert’.

I feel a right Charlie, I do.

Boru

No no no, it is my fault.

I never warned Muslims that ABBA is full of porrk.

(May 16, 2020 at 3:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 16, 2020 at 3:28 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: And the worst part is despite all the different ways he said it . It still fails to be precise.

Well, that’s clearly our fault, not the Prophet’s. We’ve fallen into the anti-Islamic trap of expecting words to mean what they mean. See, for all of my life, I thought ‘barefoot’ meant ‘without footwear’, but it turns out that it means ‘naked’. But ‘naked’ doesn’t mean ‘naked’ it means ‘wearing some clothing, but not a lot, because you live in the desert’.

I feel a right Charlie, I do.

Boru

Yay silly us huh  

Anyway i think thread has run it's course and from this point on will just be flogging a dead horse 

(May 16, 2020 at 3:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2020 at 3:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, that’s clearly our fault, not the Prophet’s. We’ve fallen into the anti-Islamic trap of expecting words to mean what they mean. See, for all of my life, I thought ‘barefoot’ meant ‘without footwear’, but it turns out that it means ‘naked’. But ‘naked’ doesn’t mean ‘naked’ it means ‘wearing some clothing, but not a lot, because you live in the desert’.

I feel a right Charlie, I do.

Boru

No no no, it is my fault.

I never warned Muslims that ABBA is full of porrk.

Ok.

Boru

It never ceases to amaze me that over the last 2000 years prophesy went from "if you don't do X,Y and Z, god wiill come down from his cloud, beat you up and rob your lunch money" to "after event X, lots of religious peoply will clamour to a point to a passage in their holy book which supposedly predicted the event, despite nobody seeing said 'prediction' before the event happened.

Do they think everybody's as stupid as they are?

(May 16, 2020 at 3:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, that’s clearly our fault, not the Prophet’s. We’ve fallen into the anti-Islamic trap of expecting words to mean what they mean. See, for all of my life, I thought ‘barefoot’ meant ‘without footwear’, but it turns out that it means ‘naked’. But ‘naked’ doesn’t mean ‘naked’ it means ‘wearing some clothing, but not a lot, because you live in the desert’.

I thought you can handle one or two different translations of a hadith without complaints..? Did you expect some one-to-one correspondance between Arabic and English...? By the way, naked replaces the word destitute, not barefoot, as I explained some three or four times already.

(May 16, 2020 at 2:16 pm)brewer Wrote: Then you, or anyone, can't really state precisely just what the hell he was talking about.

It must be very difficult when you have to fight this hard to justify a fantasy.

Actually, we can state what he was talking about with incredible precision, so much so that billions of people imitate every gesture in his prayers, ablution, etc.