I would say that the Evangelical Church right now should beware that Trump and their allies might sell them any moment

He already did. It's not some future worry about a thing that might happen one day, lol?

(June 1, 2020 at 8:59 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: If a white person murders a black person is that always evidence that they're racist?

If a white person accidentally kills a black person is that always evidence that they're racist?

If a white police officer apprehends or arrests a black person on good grounds or bad is that always evidence that the white police officer is racist?

If the answer is no to all three questions, then why are so many liberals and demagogues like Al Sharpton so certain that George Floyd's death is the result of racism?

Not the point.

The issue isn't case by case with America. It is long term and institutionalized. Washington DC was literally built by slavery. And even after Lincoln lead the North to win the War against the South to end slavery, nothing was done to any serious degree to end economic inequality. So while blacks were not technically owned after, they still were maringalized and segregated into poverty, which amounts to indentured slavery. And the justice system was worse, all it took was a white person or a lynch mob to falsely accuse a black person of a crime they still faced an all white jury. 

"But it is 2020 and I am not responsible for what happened back then".  Is the argument I get from fellow whites and have for decades now. "Why cant minorities just obey the law?" Funny that, but just like white cops murder innocent blacks, I have been seeing lots of white people riot and loot this past week. 

That is an argument that has  been going on since the Civil Rights act. If 100% of whites back then got it back then, we wouldn't be dealing with the deaths of George Floyd, Ahmund, Sandra Bland, Eric Garner, Trevon Martin, ECT ECT ECT ECT....

So when you oversimplify your OP argument with "Isn't it possible", you are ignoring selection bias and sample rate error.

Certainly humans are capable of hurting other humans regardless of race or intent. But when it comes to sociology and human history, there is a clear pattern that blacks long term have gotten the short end of the stick, and still are to too much of a degree. You can t look at Obama and Oprah or Micheal Jordan and think, "They made it so the problem is over."

Blacks ON AVERAGE are still hurt worse by the justice system and economics than their white counterparts.

(June 1, 2020 at 8:59 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: If a white person murders a black person is that always evidence that they're racist?

If a white person accidentally kills a black person is that always evidence that they're racist?

If a white police officer apprehends or arrests a black person on good grounds or bad is that always evidence that the white police officer is racist?

If the answer is no to all three questions, then why are so many liberals and demagogues like Al Sharpton so certain that George Floyd's death is the result of racism?

Given that A) Chauvin decided that strangling a guy with his knee and keeping it on there for about 8 minutes and 46 seconds (a long enough time to kill him) was a suitable response to a guy whose crime was to try and pass off a counterfeit $20 as real, B) that Chauvin is white and Floyd is black, and C) that there's a long history of black people being brutalized by police, it's very plausible.

And frankly, unless you think that an appropriate penalty for trying to spend a counterfeit Jackson is to kneel on said person's neck for as long as it takes to listen to this song (and you'll be unconscious by the time the solo starts to pick up):



feel free to take these justifications and ram them so far up your ass you're complaining about the oesophegeal blockage that won't stop making you taste your own shit.

P.S., why, yes, I did have to trawl my archives to find a song that was the exact length cited by the criminal complaint. I didn’t expect for it to have a section change at the 5:53 point, the time where Floyd became unresponsive, but, by an extraordinary coincidence, it managed to work out that way.

(June 2, 2020 at 8:38 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Rich black people also get arrested for driving a beamer while black.  You know, because those people are more criminal, therefore it's more likely to be stolen.  

How could they even afford a beamer, if they do have title on hand?  Better check the trunk for drugs!

No drugs?  Oh well, fuck it.  They have to have a taillight out, or maybe they were speeding, or maybe they looked like another black man...presumably a criminal.

If an officer get's really lucky, they'll resist™...then none of the rest matters and it's time for their face to go on a date with the pavement.

One of the guys I taught to fly R/C airplanes was a black kid who drove a Mercedes 300D (I had one too at the time - we met because of the cars).

He told me.- "You know what the cops call a black guy driving a Benz? Grand theft auto."

Gallows humor. Gotta love it.

(June 2, 2020 at 1:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: He already did.  It's not some future worry about a thing that might happen one day, lol?

I met a member or two here that were so into Trump since 2017, they were Christian of course and they put their bids on Trump. I just want to sense the real scale of the irony now that he was exposed -or began to be exposed-.

I want to sense the Saudies too and the shock of Trump's selling them; perhaps its near.

(June 2, 2020 at 3:44 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(June 2, 2020 at 8:38 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Rich black people also get arrested for driving a beamer while black.  You know, because those people are more criminal, therefore it's more likely to be stolen.  

How could they even afford a beamer, if they do have title on hand?  Better check the trunk for drugs!

No drugs?  Oh well, fuck it.  They have to have a taillight out, or maybe they were speeding, or maybe they looked like another black man...presumably a criminal.

If an officer get's really lucky, they'll resist™...then none of the rest matters and it's time for their face to go on a date with the pavement.

One of the guys I taught to fly R/C airplanes was a black kid who drove a Mercedes 300D (I had one too at the time - we met because of the cars).

He told me.- "You know what the cops call a black guy driving a Benz? Grand theft auto."

Gallows humor. Gotta love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s9E5kX17_A

Boru

Why are religious conservatives so quick to defend the murder of unarmed black people? Oh right, Racism.

(June 3, 2020 at 2:18 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 2, 2020 at 1:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: He already did.  It's not some future worry about a thing that might happen one day, lol?

I met a member or two here that were so into Trump since 2017, they were Christian of course and they put their bids on Trump. I just want to sense the real scale of the irony now that he was exposed -or began to be exposed-.

I want to sense the Saudies too and the shock of Trump's selling them; perhaps its near.

We have our mess, you have your mess. How about you work on your mess, we work on ours?

Well, this is happening:

https://kutv.com/news/nation-world/georg...disgusting

I'm very tempted to encourage them to make the challenge more authentic by rendering the prone person unconscious and continue to kneel on them for two or three more minutes.