(June 7, 2020 at 4:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(June 7, 2020 at 8:44 am)Agnostico Wrote: U could say that. There are two different tax brackets and two different social benefit schemes

So if i was to use the systemic racism argument it would be that its against non Aboriginals and that it doesn't even worry me

Who is an Aussie, speak up. There are racist people here, sure but systemic racism isn't a thing in Melbourne

I lived in Melbourne for around 20 years. Yeah, sorry, but there is such a thing called systemic racism in Melbourne, in Sydney (where I currently live) and elsewhere in Australia. Aborigines cop a lot of racist shit from "pure" Aussies. You are delusional.

And insert obvious remark about how many of those “pure” Aussies were descended from British criminals here.

(June 7, 2020 at 4:42 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(June 7, 2020 at 4:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I lived in Melbourne for around 20 years. Yeah, sorry, but there is such a thing called systemic racism in Melbourne, in Sydney (where I currently live) and elsewhere in Australia. Aborigines cop a lot of racist shit from "pure" Aussies. You are delusional.

And insert obvious remark about how many of those “pure” Aussies were descended from British criminals here.

What do you say to an Australian on holiday in the UK?



Boru

(June 6, 2020 at 3:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 6, 2020 at 2:53 pm)Agnostico Wrote: [i][size=large][color=#262626][font=CNN,]

Idiocy snipped

Your thread title is tragically misleading. The bit you pasted clearly says that protests ARE a health risk, but that the risk can be managed with best practices. The point of the letter is to argue AGAINST shutting down protests for health reasons. It also doesn’t mention the word ‘riot’.

How fucking stupid are you?

Boru

I know this answer. Very Very.

(June 7, 2020 at 4:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 7, 2020 at 4:42 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And insert obvious remark about how many of those “pure” Aussies were descended from British criminals here.

What do you say to an Australian on holiday in the UK?

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’Welcome back!’

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Boru

And the surprising thing is that enough Australians came back to Blighty that 1 in 30 Brits are descended from Australians. And surprisingly, only 22% of Australia's population were descended from convicts. A percentage like this is a hell of a lot lower than I expected. Not gonna lie, I would have expected something like at least half. Then again, it turns out that there was a big influx of people welcomed by the Australians in ways that would have seemed very similar to the narrative right-wingers have been pushing about Angela Merkel and the Syrian migrants, except A) this is actually accurate, B) the impetus was a desire to create a surplus population for defense purposes after WW2 [including the Japanese attack on Darwin] and the new policy was even justified (by the first Minister for Immigration) on the grounds that "We have 25 years at most to populate this country before the yellow races are down on us," and C) until 1973, they were expected to be white.

Frankly, Australia's so out of the way, with an inhospitable outback that makes up the bulk of the continent, and with much of the native wildlife dangerous or at least annoying to humans, that I would not have expected there'd have been much immigration between the end of sending convicts there and refugees in neighbouring Pacific islands fleeing there. Naturally, I was wrong.

(June 7, 2020 at 4:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I lived in Melbourne for around 20 years. Yeah, sorry, but there is such a thing called systemic racism in Melbourne, in Sydney (where I currently live) and elsewhere in Australia. Aborigines cop a lot of racist shit from "pure" Aussies. You are delusional.

Do u realize there is a difference between people being racist and systemic racism?

Systemic racism is when black lives are systemically and intentionally targeted for demise.

So tell me, which system has intentionally targeted Aboriginals for their demise?

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I saw the short term for Aboriginal (the first 3 letters) was taken off one of my posts claiming it is a slur.
It isn't a slur in Australia. They call themselves that and they have never said it was an offensive word, ever.
It's just like calling an Australian person an Aussie or and English person a pom

Even going by your restrictive definition of systemic racism, here's a list.

In reality, there is more to systemic racism than genocide.

A shorter answer would be, “the systematic distribution of resources, power and opportunity in our society to the benefit of people who are white and the exclusion of people of color.”

A longer, but more vivid one provided by Stokely Carmichael, who originated the essentially synonymous phrase "institutional racism":

Stokely Carmichael Wrote:When terrorists bomb a black church and kill five black children, that is an act of individual racism, widely deplored by most segments of the society. But when in that same city – Birmingham, Alabama – five hundred black babies die each year because of the lack of proper food, shelter and medical facilities, and thousands more are destroyed and maimed physically, emotionally and intellectually because of conditions of poverty and discrimination in the black community, that is a function of institutional racism. When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which most people will condemn. But it is institutional racism that keeps black people locked in dilapidated slum tenements, subject to the daily prey of exploitative slumlords, merchants, loan sharks and discriminatory real estate agents. The society either pretends it does not know of this latter situation, or is in fact incapable of doing anything meaningful about it.

I'm not an expert on what the Aborigines had to go through, but I'm sure you can find some examples of these defintions being applied to Aborigines even today. Just start with the Closing the Gap campaign.

And about the A-B-Zero word, while there may be some Aborigines who use it, well, are you familiar with "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport?" And I mean the original version with all the verses? There's a verse that used the word multiple times and it was controversial even at the time. Eventually, it was removed from later versions because it was indeed offensive.

Anyone else remember when that was the worst thing you could say about Rolf Harris? That he used racially insensitive language in a song and removed it when he figured out it was kind of offensive? And not that he was the Australian face of my Jesse Custer mercy killing meme?

Rev. Rey Wrote:Even going by your restrictive definition of systemic racism, here's a list.

Systemic racism has never existed in my lifetime where I live. Just run through the dates, none of it happened in my lifetime
They're protesting about history over here. No one can change history.

Rev. Rey Wrote:“the systematic distribution of resources, power and opportunity in our society to the benefit of people who are white and the exclusion of people of color.”

Rev. Rey Wrote:I'm not an expert on what the Aborigines had to go through, but I'm sure you can find some examples of these definitions being applied to Aborigines even today. Just start with the Closing the Gap campaign.

Seems like u didn't read about what "closing the gap" is all about.
"The Closing the Gap framework is an Australian government strategy that aims to reduce disadvantage among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people."

The government is helping them just as i've already said. 
They help them with employment by giving them a lower tax bracket. 
They help them with education by giving them a higher benefit. 
They help them in health by spending per person on them
They help them when they are unemployed by paying them a higher benefit

You tried to find something but the only systemic racism u have found here is actually against non-indigenous Australians. 

But the interesting thing now will be to see how many people actually die from these protests/riots

And yet that disadvantage still exists and trying to level the playing field is the entire fucking point of the campaign. Once again, there is more to systemic racism than the government deciding to commit genocide. Hell, it's something that exists beyond direct government action to fuck with minorities. Here's a video to help you understand it.





And somehow you see it as systemic racism against white Australians. Or are you one of the people who claims other races existing is a threat to white people?

Then again you seem to think I'm Daisy Ridley, so I can't discount that there's something seriously wrong with your head.

(June 9, 2020 at 1:12 am)Agnostico Wrote:

Rev. Rey Wrote:Even going by your restrictive definition of systemic racism, here's a list.

Rev. Rey Wrote:“the systematic distribution of resources, power and opportunity in our society to the benefit of people who are white and the exclusion of people of color.”

Rev. Rey Wrote:I'm not an expert on what the Aborigines had to go through, but I'm sure you can find some examples of these definitions being applied to Aborigines even today. Just start with the Closing the Gap campaign.

(June 9, 2020 at 2:08 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: And yet that disadvantage still exists and trying to level the playing field is the entire fucking point of the campaign. Once again, there is more to systemic racism than the government deciding to commit genocide. Hell, it's something that exists beyond direct government action to fuck with minorities. Here's a video to help you understand it.

And somehow you see it as systemic racism against white Australians. Or are you one of the people who claims other races existing is a threat to white people?

Then again you seem to think I'm Daisy Ridley, so I can't discount that there's something seriously wrong with your head.

Their disadvantages are from their choices and genetics. You have no idea about racism here and have failed to find any systems that oppress the Aboriginals. 
Just cos it happens in America doesn't mean it happens here... Get over it...













But even if their was systemic racism here it doesn't change the fact that there will be many covid deaths because of the actions of these protesters

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(June 8, 2020 at 11:44 pm)Agnostico Wrote:

(June 7, 2020 at 4:22 pm)Grander Wrote: I lived in Melbourne for around 20 years. Yeah, sorry, but there is such a thing called systemic racism in Melbourne, in Sydney (where I currently live) and elsewhere in Australia. Aborigines cop a lot of racist shit from "pure" Aussies. You are delusional.

Do u realize there is a difference between people being racist and systemic racism?

Systemic racism is when black lives are systemically and intentionally targeted for demise.

So tell me, which system has intentionally targeted Aboriginals for their demise?

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I saw the short term for Aboriginal (the first 3 letters) was taken off one of my posts claiming it is a slur.
It isn't a slur in Australia. They call themselves that and they have never said it was an offensive word, ever.
It's just like calling an Australian person an Aussie or and English person a pom

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abo

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

abo (plural abos)

1. (Australia, offensive, ethnic slur, slang) An aborigine; aboriginal. [First attested in the early 20th century.][1]
   

I can find more if you like.


Boru