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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 5:33 am
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(June 13, 2020 at 5:26 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: (June 13, 2020 at 5:24 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Well.... that would seem to depend on the qualities of the diety people are talking about.
Some diety's are posited as being "All loving/caring/(Insert your synonym here)"
Hence the 'Problem of evil' if you're positing a monotheistic belief.
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If God is within us all and we love ourselves then that is God loving us.
That is perfectly compatible with the rest of the universe not caring about us *when* the rest of the universe has a mind and is God and is more important than us because there's more total utility there than there is on this one little planet.
Well.... two issues with the "Within us" thing.
1) That make the diety pretty 'Small', by definition of hiding within the human body.
And,
2) Last I checked? I am distinctly lacking anything that could be construed as 'Diety' sized spaces about my personage.
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 5:38 am
(June 13, 2020 at 5:33 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: 1) That make the diety pretty 'Small', by definition of hiding within the human body.
If the universe is a mind made of infinite minds then that is indistinguisible from just one big mind with mental properties. Each mind is like one of God's thoughts. We are a few of his thoughts that he doesn't consider very important because he has 99999999999999 other thoughts elsewhere that outweigh that.
Quote: 2) Last I check? I am distinctly lacking anything that could be construed as a 'Diety' sized spaces about my personage.
If the universe is an infinite mind with emotions and that infinite mind had something to do with the writing of certain holy books, or perhaps all holy books, then you wouldn't consider that to be a God?
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 5:46 am
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(June 13, 2020 at 5:38 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: (June 13, 2020 at 5:33 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: 1) That make the diety pretty 'Small', by definition of hiding within the human body.
If the universe is a mind made of infinite minds then that is indistinguisible from just one big mind with mental properties. Each mind is like one of God's thoughts. We are a few of his thoughts that he doesn't consider very important because he has 99999999999999 other thoughts elsewhere that outweigh that.
Quote: 2) Last I check? I am distinctly lacking anything that could be construed as a 'Diety' sized spaces about my personage.
If the universe is an infinite mind with emotions and that infinite mind had something to do with the writing of certain holy books, or perhaps all holy books, then you wouldn't consider that to be a God?
So..... you're positing 'Minds' without anything 'Physical' through which they interact?
How does that work, exactly?
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 5:47 am
(June 13, 2020 at 5:46 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(June 13, 2020 at 5:38 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: If the universe is a mind made of infinite minds then that is indistinguisible from just one big mind with mental properties. Each mind is like one of God's thoughts. We are a few of his thoughts that he doesn't consider very important because he has 99999999999999 other thoughts elsewhere that outweigh that.
If the universe is an infinite mind with emotions and that infinite mind had something to do with the writing of certain holy books, or perhaps all holy books, then you wouldn't consider that to be a God?
So..... you're positing 'Minds' without anything 'Physical' through which they interact?
How does that work, exactly?
The physical universe is an illusion. Everything is mental. Our brains are a case in point. There you have something that people think is physical but it's clearly mental. It just so happens that everything is like that.
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 5:54 am
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(June 13, 2020 at 5:47 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: (June 13, 2020 at 5:46 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: So..... you're positing 'Minds' without anything 'Physical' through which they interact?
How does that work, exactly?
The physical universe is an illusion. Everything is mental. Our brains are a case in point. There you have something that people think is physical but it's clearly mental. It just so happens that everything is like that.
How do you demonstrate the above conjecture?
How does your hypothesis explain damaged brains?
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 5:57 am
(June 13, 2020 at 5:54 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: How do you demonstrate the above conjecture?
If all of the universe is mental then wouldn't you agree that what appears to be physical is illusory?
Quote:How does your hypothesis explain damaged brains?
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Why would damaged brains damage the hypothesis? If all atoms are conscious then the fact that the brain is no longer conscious doesn't mean that all the atoms that are still left over still aren't. You won't have human consciousness but you'll still have consciousness.
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 6:04 am
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(June 13, 2020 at 5:57 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: (June 13, 2020 at 5:54 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: How do you demonstrate the above conjecture?
If all of the universe is mental then wouldn't you agree that what appears to be physical is illusory?
Quote:How does your hypothesis explain damaged brains?
Cheers.
Why would damaged brains damage the hypothesis? If all atoms are conscious then the fact that the brain is no longer conscious doesn't mean that all the atoms that are still left over still aren't. You won't have human consciousness but you'll still have consciousness.
"If all the universe is mental...."
No. I am not granting you that 'If'.
Please demonstrate that all of reality IS mental.
I am seeking clarification as to, based on your conjecture about non-physical minds, how a damaged brain thence 'Works' (Or doesn't, as the case may be) interacts or such.
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 6:06 am
(June 13, 2020 at 6:04 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: I am seeking clarification as to, based on your conjecture about non-physical minds, how a damaged brain thence 'Works' (Or doesn't, as the case may be) interacts or such.
The whole universe must be mental because there are only two alternatives to that and they're both much more improbable.
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 6:09 am
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What are the alternatives, and can we see some math on the odds?
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RE: Why won't God heal amputees?
June 13, 2020 at 6:12 am
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(June 13, 2020 at 6:06 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: (June 13, 2020 at 6:04 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: I am seeking clarification as to, based on your conjecture about non-physical minds, how a damaged brain thence 'Works' (Or doesn't, as the case may be) interacts or such.
The whole universe must be mental because there are only two alternatives to that and they're both much more improbable.
It must be.....
Otherwise there are only two alternatives......
Which are both much less probable.......
Uhm, okay. First, what might these two alternatives be?
Secondly, this seems to simply be winding up to your level of incredulity.......
Which it might NOT actually be.
Looking forward to the next reply.
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