'The peasants are revolting!'

(October 27, 2011 at 10:54 am)Rhythm Wrote: The workers will always be in the lower class.....based upon what?

Maybe..the workers will always be in the lower class as long as there are those willing to devalue their work and their lives and play them against each other, going so far as to hand them guns and tell them to shoot. As long as we put up with that, yeah, sure, I agree.

There is nothing to devalue anymore.
Like what kind of "worker class" is there in the world anymore?
Those only exist in countries like china, where manual labor is actually asked for.
In more developed countries, not many people are employed in the labor sector.
Like there are labor unions in Turkey, because there is actually a considerable labor force, but other than that....
As I said, once machines take more and more place in Turkey's agriculture and manufacturing, these people will look for other jobs too.
However, in Turkey, we have many small businesses that thrive, and not many monopolies like wal-mart in America.
Street vendors and etc. are also a part of our daily lives. So it's more probable that those people will start up a business, if they can.

Quote:If the workers altogether revolted: kings and popes would together be meaningless.

It would amount to nothing, actually.
The worker's revolution thing is actually nothing more than a buffed up tale.
The workers themselves are not capable of doing this, so instead, educated men of higher-class jobs, and students generally take up this cause, not the workers themselves, most of the time.

Not many people are employed in the labor sector......where do you get your info? We're all doctors, scientists, and lawyers over here in the good Ole U S of A..those of us that aren't soldiers, of course (which is definetly not labor........)

Nice one rev!
I always think a good cartoon can convey an idea so much more powerfuly and in a more accessible way than can great lumps of text.
This one deals with the nature of capitalism excellently.
I was trying to find a similar cartoon called " Capital and Labour " by Scotsman Martin Anderson, who wrote under the name of Cynicus in the 1890's when said cartoon appeared. Sadly I can't find it anywhere to post, but maybe somebody else can?

(October 27, 2011 at 9:46 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I'm not a fan of capitalism, however I must say that the opposite view does not change the picture one bit.
The workers will always be in the lower classes of society, even though they may earn more in some countries, and less in some.

In that situation, you would vote "not sure", or one of the "kind of" votes...as you are definitely not a yea or nea

From what i've seen in NYC this week, capitalism doesn't work as well as poeple like to think it does. I'll be doing a trip report and fotos soon. Got to finish an assignment first(or3)

1 in 3 NYC kids in poverty.

(October 27, 2011 at 1:16 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: There is nothing to devalue anymore.
Like what kind of "worker class" is there in the world anymore?
Those only exist in countries like china, where manual labor is actually asked for.
In more developed countries, not many people are employed in the labor sector.

Bite your tongue. There very much is a working class. I work in heavy labor. the vast majority of people i know work in heavy labor.

Quote:It would amount to nothing, actually.
The worker's revolution thing is actually nothing more than a buffed up tale.
The workers themselves are not capable of doing this, so instead, educated men of higher-class jobs, and students generally take up this cause, not the workers themselves, most of the time.

..that is...as long as the workers are kept ignorant. Its one of the reasons why right wingers want religion to be taught in the place of good science. Science teaches you to ask good questions and to make value judgements from them. religion teaches people to not ask questions and to just accept the pre-made values that come with them.

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(October 27, 2011 at 3:07 pm)bozo Wrote: Nice one rev!
I always think a good cartoon can convey an idea so much more powerfuly and in a more accessible way than can great lumps of text.
This one deals with the nature of capitalism excellently.
I was trying to find a similar cartoon called " Capital and Labour " by Scotsman Martin Anderson, who wrote under the name of Cynicus in the 1890's when said cartoon appeared. Sadly I can't find it anywhere to post, but maybe somebody else can?

I saw this image 5 years ago, and it fucked with me ever since. I didnt like money at the time Isaw it, but I accepted capitalism as "the only possible way". Many years and thoughts later I have come to agree with this picture almost 100%. Sure it is a simple picture. Sure it is not perfect. But its message is undeniable and rings true on many levels.

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I know that one! It's called " Wealth and Poverty " and was published in the Punch magazine in the 1800's.

(October 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm)5thHorseman Wrote: 1 in 3 NYC kids in poverty.

Where did you get this stat from? I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm just curious if it's really true and on what level is the poverty. Poverty in the states isn't anything like poverty in India.

(October 27, 2011 at 9:46 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I'm not a fan of capitalism, however I must say that the opposite view does not change the picture one bit.
The workers will always be in the lower classes of society, even though they may earn more in some countries, and less in some.

I see this to be true as well.
That's where socialism comes in to hold hands with capitalism to work hand in hand.

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This is a minority and it's too much, still.