(August 4, 2020 at 1:26 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

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(August 4, 2020 at 1:22 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Once again:

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But he would much rather divide us up

Oh and here's a chart on sodomy laws . Note homosexuality gets it's own column.But yeah there was no targeting. In huggy land homosexuality was totally accepted and that's why so many people were open about it ......Oh wait

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law...ted_States

this is neat too 

https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/lgbt-r...index.html

We have come a long way from this 

http://www.opportunityinstitute.org/blog...auschwitz/

Oh and here is a list of penalties for sodomy 

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy...ted_States

And this fun quote from it 

Quote:Ethics scholar Richard Weinmeyer writes:[8]

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During the 1950s, McCarthyism resulted in state- and nationwide witch hunts of male "homosexuals" in which the acts of oral and anal sex between consenting adult men were [treated the same as] child molestation.

I Just have one question for you, since the white LBGT community suffered all this oppression, where were they at when all this was going on?

Trying to not draw attention to themselves, if my understanding of human nature in general is any indication.

Of course, there were some exceptions:



The guy having a smoke with MLK in the top picture? That’s Bayard Rustin. He was a crucial adviser for MLK in the early days, and even convinced him in the earliest days of the Montgomery Bus Boycott to not keep a pistol around for self-defense. In 1963, he planned the March on Washington. He was also gay, having been arrested in 1953 for having sex with another man in a parked car. At the time, he was candid about his homosexuality within his own private circles, but as far as the public was concerned, he stayed in the closet until the Eighties, when there was at least a chance he could get away with it., and became as passionate an advocate for gay rights as he was for black civil rights. The year before he died, he even gave a speech called, and I 𝐐𝐮𝐨𝐭𝐞, “The New N——rs are Gays.”

The guy with MLK in the other photo? James Baldwin. You ever see the movies I am Not Your Negro or If Beale Street Could Speak? Or read Go Tell It On The Mountain or Waiting to Meet The Man or Fire Next Time? That’s him. He was also gay. His second novel, written after Mountain, was Giovanni’s Room, the story of a man having an affair with another man. In contrast to his previous work, his publisher told him to “burn it.” As a rule, the works that focus more on homosexuality have historically gotten a lot less interest than the ones about race, but with the mainstreaming of gay culture, that’s started to change.

But, okay, maybe they were outliers. Fact is, even by the standard you’ve set up, you’re still not off the hook. You’ve probably heard about the border camps, which basically amount to concentration camps for Hispanic immigrants. These are places where children are separated from their parents; places where, if You tell a guard you want water, they’ll ask you to drink out of the toilet; places where people are crammed into cramped cells with dozens of other people. Since you’re willing to hold gay people as a whole to that high standard, it only makes sense to ask: where the fuck you were when you heard the news? What you did to help fight for their human rights? Or is it all self serving to you? If the answer to that last question is yes, well, I can at least understand wheee you’re coming from, but to hold other people to a higher standard than yourself, well, there’s a word for that: hyporcisy.

And since you’re a Christian, I would also like to close with a little scripture that I find extremely relevant: “But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.” Matthew 23:3b-4. Why, yes, I am comparing you with the Pharisees.

(August 4, 2020 at 6:36 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Trying to not draw attention to themselves, if my understanding of human nature in general is any indication.

Of course, there were some exceptions:

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The guy having a smoke with MLK in the top picture? That’s Bayard Rustin. He was a crucial adviser for MLK in the early days, and even convinced him in the earliest days of the Montgomery Bus Boycott to not keep a pistol around for self-defense. In 1963, he planned the March on Washington. He was also gay, having been arrested in 1953 for having sex with another man in a parked car. At the time, he was candid about his homosexuality within his own private circles, but as far as the public was concerned, he stayed in the closet until the Eighties, when there was at least a chance he could get away with it., and became as passionate an advocate for gay rights as he was for black civil rights. The year before he died, he even gave a speech called, and I 𝐐𝐮𝐨𝐭𝐞, “The New N——rs are Gays.”

The guy with MLK in the other photo? James Baldwin. You ever see the movies I am Not Your Negro or If Beale Street Could Speak? Or read Go Tell It On The Mountain or Waiting to Meet The Man or Fire Next Time? That’s him. He was also gay. His second novel, written after Mountain, was Giovanni’s Room, the story of a man having an affair with another man. In contrast to his previous work, his publisher told him to “burn it.” As a rule, the works that focus more on homosexuality have historically gotten a lot less interest than the ones about race, but with the mainstreaming of gay culture, that’s started to change.

But, okay, maybe they were outliers. Fact is, even by the standard you’ve set up, you’re still not off the hook. You’ve probably heard about the border camps, which basically amount to concentration camps for Hispanic immigrants. These are places where children are separated from their parents; places where, if You tell a guard you want water, they’ll ask you to drink out of the toilet; places where people are crammed into cramped cells with dozens of other people. Since you’re willing to hold gay people as a whole to that high standard, it only makes sense to ask: where the fuck you were when you heard the news? What you did to help fight for their human rights? Or is it all self serving to you? If the answer to that last question is yes, well, I can at least understand wheee you’re coming from, but to hold other people to a higher standard than yourself, well, there’s a word for that: hyporcisy.

And since you’re a Christian, I would also like to close with a little scripture that I find extremely relevant: “But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.” Matthew 23:3b-4. Why, yes, I am comparing you with the Pharisees.

I'm well aware of the black people in the civil right movement that were gay, hence why I specified "white LGBT"

(August 4, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: I Just have one question for you, since the white LBGT community suffered all this oppression, where were they at when all this was going on?

James Baldwin's blackness came first, not his homosexuality.

As for Hispanic community, Not putting on a cape for them when they do stuff like this.

Report: Vast Majority of Trump El Paso Rally Attendees Hispanic, Many Democrats

As the saying goes can't help those not willing to help themselves.

(August 4, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(August 4, 2020 at 1:26 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

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But he would much rather divide us up

Oh and here's a chart on sodomy laws . Note homosexuality gets it's own column.But yeah there was no targeting. In huggy land homosexuality was totally accepted and that's why so many people were open about it ......Oh wait

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law...ted_States

this is neat too 

https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/lgbt-r...index.html

We have come a long way from this 

http://www.opportunityinstitute.org/blog...auschwitz/

Oh and here is a list of penalties for sodomy 

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy...ted_States

And this fun quote from it 

I Just have one question for you, since the white LBGT community suffered all this oppression, where were they at when all this was going on?

1. You realize that not everyone in the civil rights movement was a saint some of them didn't like gay people either 

2. Some white gays did work with the civil rights movement 

3.Some gays didn't join because it would put them in the spotlight ,And god forbid everyone find out they were gay because their life would be over.

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Quote:James Baldwin's blackness came first, not his homosexuality.

No it didn't he was both equally 

Quote:As for Hispanic community, Not putting on a cape for them when they do stuff like this.

Report: Vast Majority of Trump El Paso Rally Attendees Hispanic, Many Democrats

You realize that just because some hispanics are assholes does that mean the people in those camps need suffer . God you are a douche who lacks humanity 

Quote:As the saying goes can't help those not willing to help themselves. 

Yeah that's a stupid saying 

Quote:I'm well aware of the black people in the civil right movement that were gay, hence why I specified "white LGBT"

And it was answered. And i'll also point out your fallacy that because oppressed group A doesn't join up with oppressed group B doesn't mean A is not oppressed

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(August 4, 2020 at 6:36 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Trying to not draw attention to themselves, if my understanding of human nature in general is any indication.

Of course, there were some exceptions:



The guy having a smoke with MLK in the top picture? That’s Bayard Rustin. He was a crucial adviser for MLK in the early days, and even convinced him in the earliest days of the Montgomery Bus Boycott to not keep a pistol around for self-defense. In 1963, he planned the March on Washington. He was also gay, having been arrested in 1953 for having sex with another man in a parked car. At the time, he was candid about his homosexuality within his own private circles, but as far as the public was concerned, he stayed in the closet until the Eighties, when there was at least a chance he could get away with it., and became as passionate an advocate for gay rights as he was for black civil rights. The year before he died, he even gave a speech called, and I 𝐐𝐮𝐨𝐭𝐞, “The New N——rs are Gays.”

The guy with MLK in the other photo? James Baldwin. You ever see the movies I am Not Your Negro or If Beale Street Could Speak? Or read Go Tell It On The Mountain or Waiting to Meet The Man or Fire Next Time? That’s him. He was also gay. His second novel, written after Mountain, was Giovanni’s Room, the story of a man having an affair with another man. In contrast to his previous work, his publisher told him to “burn it.” As a rule, the works that focus more on homosexuality have historically gotten a lot less interest than the ones about race, but with the mainstreaming of gay culture, that’s started to change.

But, okay, maybe they were outliers. Fact is, even by the standard you’ve set up, you’re still not off the hook. You’ve probably heard about the border camps, which basically amount to concentration camps for Hispanic immigrants. These are places where children are separated from their parents; places where, if You tell a guard you want water, they’ll ask you to drink out of the toilet; places where people are crammed into cramped cells with dozens of other people. Since you’re willing to hold gay people as a whole to that high standard, it only makes sense to ask: where the fuck you were when you heard the news? What you did to help fight for their human rights? Or is it all self serving to you? If the answer to that last question is yes, well, I can at least understand wheee you’re coming from, but to hold other people to a higher standard than yourself, well, there’s a word for that: hyporcisy.

And since you’re a Christian, I would also like to close with a little scripture that I find extremely relevant: “But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.” Matthew 23:3b-4. Why, yes, I am comparing you with the Pharisees.

No matter what Rye he's never going to drop his narrative that white gays were totally accepted and faced no opprerssion, And he's desperate to split the gay community on racial lines

(August 4, 2020 at 8:01 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(August 4, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: As for Hispanic community, Not putting on a cape for them when they do stuff like this.

Report: Vast Majority of Trump El Paso Rally Attendees Hispanic, Many Democrats

You realize that just because some hispanics are assholes does that mean the people in those camps need suffer . God you are a douche who lacks humanity

Nope, I'm just keeping the same energy...

(August 4, 2020 at 8:45 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(August 4, 2020 at 8:01 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: You realize that just because some hispanics are assholes does that mean the people in those camps need suffer . God you are a douche who lacks humanity

Nope, I'm just keeping the same energy...

So again all those people have to suffer because one asshole made a quote in the 50s . Again you lack any humanity

(August 4, 2020 at 8:49 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(August 4, 2020 at 8:45 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Nope, I'm just keeping the same energy...

So again all those people have to suffer because one asshole made a quote in the 50s . Again you lack any humanity

That "one asshole" was the President of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

(August 4, 2020 at 9:04 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(August 4, 2020 at 8:49 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: So again all those people have to suffer because one asshole made a quote in the 50s . Again you lack any humanity

That "one asshole" was the President of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

I don't care . He is still one asshole , And that's no reason not to deal with this current crisis or help those suffering .

(August 4, 2020 at 9:06 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(August 4, 2020 at 9:04 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: That "one asshole" was the President of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

I don't care . He is still one asshole , And that's no reason not to deal with this current crisis or help those suffering .

Nope, we have our own issues we have to deal with first.