RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
August 11, 2020 at 9:37 am
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[Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
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 (August 9, 2020 at 1:33 pm)WinterHold Wrote:Hi Bro عليك سلام النور وما من نور إلا نور العقل فإحتكم له فهو أشد مثقالا(August 9, 2020 at 8:36 am)Apistos Wrote: Oh no it so does'nt. The word actually used in the quranic verse is "sky سماء" , and the word at the end of the verse موسعون tramslated into "expanders" could also mean "broadeners" or simply "Rich and capable". The last is the one chosen by most Muslim interpreter, having nothing to do with expanding the heaven. Still, even if it wasnt, it would only mean that god made the sky breod, simply! this understanding makes much more sence when u read the verse in Arabic. Now, the next verse talks about the earth being "spread out", which is basically about the being flat. Oh yeah I know u would insists that its not about the earth being literally flatened (though this is what the word in usage ماهدون basically means) but that its looks like that from the prospective of human eye, fine, but the same way u have no right to insist that the previous passage means anything more than the sky being broad to the human eye. Dont just selectively change prospective in the next verse! i'm not good in english I'm an arab i'm good in arabic both thinking and understanding the word heaven in quran is very disturbed in it's physical meaning and it's impossible to fix it with scientific concept as we undestood science to prove my claims i'll give uthe evidences in arabic "But I demand you to bring the verse that says the heaven elevated from the earth"
اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا ۖ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ ۖ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لِأَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى ۚ يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ يُفَصِّلُ الْآيَاتِ لَعَلَّكُم بِلِقَاءِ رَبِّكُمْ تُوقِنُونَ
الرعد 22
و السماء رفعها و وضع الميزان
الرحمن 7
رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ___رفعت مقابل ماذا؟؟ أليست الأرض الموجودة نعم الموجودة قبلها
نسوق لكم الدليل
خلق الأرض قبل السماء
۞ قُلْ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَكْفُرُونَ بِالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَتَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أَندَادًا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ (9) وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاءً لِّلسَّائِلِينَ (10) ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ ائْتِيَا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا قَالَتَا أَتَيْنَا طَائِعِين11
فَقَضَاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَأَوْحَىٰ فِي كُلِّ سَمَاءٍ أَمْرَهَا ۚ وَزَيَّنَّا السَّمَاءَ الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَحِفْظًا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ
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تفسير القرطبي
وظاهر هذه الآية يدل على أن الأرض خلقت قبل السماء . وقال في آية أخرى : أم السماء بناها ثم قال : والأرض بعد ذلك دحاها وهذا يدل على خلق السماء أولا . وقال قوم : خلقت الأرض قبل السماء ، فأما قوله : والأرض بعد ذلك دحاها فالدحو غير الخلق ، فالله خلق الأرض ثم خلق السموات ، ثم دحا الأرض أي : مدها وبسطها ، قاله ابن عباس . وقد مضى هذا المعنى مجودا في " البقرة
هُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ لَكُم مَّا فِي الْأَرْضِ جَمِيعًا ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ فَسَوَّاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ ۚ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
البقرة 29
تفسير إبن كثير
هذه وهذه دالتان على أن الأرض خلقت قبل السماء ، وهذا ما لا أعلم فيه نزاعا بين العلماء إلا ما نقله ابن جرير عن قتادة : أنه زعم أن السماء خلقت قبل الأرض ، وقد توقف في ذلك القرطبي في تفسيره لقوله تعالى : ( أأنتم أشد خلقا أم السماء بناها رفع سمكها فسواها وأغطش ليلها وأخرج ضحاها والأرض بعد ذلك دحاها أخرج منها ماءها ومرعاها ) [ النازعات : 27 - 31 ] قالوا : فذكر خلق السماء قبل الأرض . وفي صحيح البخاري : أن ابن عباس سئل عن هذا بعينه ، فأجاب بأن الأرض خلقت قبل السماء وأن الأرض إنما دحيت بعد خلق السماء ، وكذلك أجاب غير واحد من علماء التفسير قديما وحديثا ، وقد قررنا ذلك في تفسير سورة النازعات ، وحاصل ذلك أن الدحي مفسر بقوله : ( والأرض بعد ذلك دحاها أخرج منها ماءها ومرعاها والجبال أرساها ) [ النازعات : 30 - 32 ] ففسر الدحي بإخراج ما كان مودعا فيها بالقوة إلى الفعل لما اكتملت صورة المخلوقات الأرضية ثم السماوية دحى بعد ذلك الأرض ، فأخرجت ما كان مودعا فيها من المياه ، فنبتت النباتات على اختلاف أصنافها وصفاتها وألوانها وأشكالها ، وكذلك جرت هذه الأفلاك فدارت بما فيها من الكواكب الثوابت والسيارة ، والله سبحانه وتعالى أعلم
Somebody should have told the romans that the earth had been made suitable for roads, would've saved them alot of time and effort.
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 RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
August 11, 2020 at 4:24 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2020 at 4:34 pm by WinterHold.)
 RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
August 11, 2020 at 4:35 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2020 at 4:36 pm by WinterHold.)
and please stop copy pasting walls of text.
(August 11, 2020 at 4:35 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(August 11, 2020 at 4:24 pm)WinterHold Wrote: If your English is not good, go take a course or learn online then come back.Did that just happen? The op. Please discuss that if you have anything to say.  (August 11, 2020 at 4:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: and please stop copy pasting walls of text. Ok, I will. If the Universe is expanding, AND if the Quran correctly predicted this, isn’t there room in the Universe for that apology you owe me (sorry, I don’t know the Arabic word for ‘apology’). Boru
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(August 11, 2020 at 4:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: and please stop copy pasting walls of text. Wrong. I did not copypasta a wall of text, I quoted the relevant lines of you signing off as "MK" and wondered why that might be. Getting your internet personas confused perhaps? Because you could have explained it, whatever it is, but you instead chose to accuse ME of quoting walls of text when anyone reading can see that I did no such thing. So why was that false accusation your goto? Why did you not explain why you signed off as "MK"? (August 11, 2020 at 4:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(August 11, 2020 at 4:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: and please stop copy pasting walls of text. اسف ؟ اعتذار ؟ But the context of the apology is what matters; in other words: why should I give it? And reply in that thread to keep topics organized. RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
August 11, 2020 at 5:04 pm
(This post was last modified: August 11, 2020 at 5:06 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(August 11, 2020 at 4:58 pm)WinterHold Wrote:(August 11, 2020 at 4:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Ok, I will. You should apologize because you wrongfully accused me of being a liar. Have you no conscience? Have you no decency? Do you not have the ability to admit your mistakes? I apologized to you for having made a false accusation in the Shoutbox. Don’t you feel I deserve similar consideration? Boru _____ Edit: Oh, sorry. Universe, expansion, Quran, blah blah blah. There - still on topic.
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