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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 8:13 am
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(August 27, 2020 at 11:29 am)WinterHold Wrote: Since when the rightist white-supremacist movement is not considered a large group ?
Also, ISIS enthusiasts practiced solo crimes, yet it was immediately counted as "terrorism" without question, even though they weren't really with ISIS; just enthusiasts.
It depends on the size of the group, White Supremacy is not monolithic, it contains large groups and small groups. If the particular group that the individual is involved with is not taking violent action and one member takes it on themselves to put rhetoric into practice, that's a disturbed individual who is vulnerable to being incited to violence over the internet AND a terrorist. A 'terror enthusiast' is still a terrorist, as the NZ mosque shooter is. The NZ mosque shooter is a terrorist and ALSO mentally disturbed, like Dylan Roof. Terrorists without terrorist ties who fantasize about being part of ISIS would also fall under the category of mentally disturbed terrorist. Tarrant was given the harshest punishment allowed under NZ law, what more do you want?
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 4:32 pm
(August 28, 2020 at 8:13 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (August 27, 2020 at 11:29 am)WinterHold Wrote: Since when the rightist white-supremacist movement is not considered a large group ?
Also, ISIS enthusiasts practiced solo crimes, yet it was immediately counted as "terrorism" without question, even though they weren't really with ISIS; just enthusiasts.
It depends on the size of the group, White Supremacy is not monolithic, it contains large groups and small groups. If the particular group that the individual is involved with is not taking violent action and one member takes it on themselves to put rhetoric into practice, that's a disturbed individual who is vulnerable to being incited to violence over the internet AND a terrorist. A 'terror enthusiast' is still a terrorist, as the NZ mosque shooter is. The NZ mosque shooter is a terrorist and ALSO mentally disturbed, like Dylan Roof. Terrorists without terrorist ties who fantasize about being part of ISIS would also fall under the category of mentally disturbed terrorist. Tarrant was given the harshest punishment allowed under NZ law, what more do you want?
No, it is monolithic, it is the belief that white people are superior to all other races.
Nice try trying to lessen its extremism, perhaps you want to introduce the "mental illness" card as a defense of the killer.
Look in the mirror. Your hate towards religion made you repeat what Donald Trump believes:
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/the-fa...tionalism/
Quote:The issue of white nationalism came to the forefront after a gunman opened fire at two mosques in New Zealand on March 15, killing at least 50 people. In a manifesto posted by the alleged shooter, he describes himself as an “ordinary white man” whose goal was to “crush immigration and deport those invaders already living on our soil” and “ensure the existence of our people, and a future for white children.” In it, he answers the question of whether he is a supporter of Trump: “As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.”
When a reporter told Trump on March 15 about the reference in the manifesto, Trump condemned the attack, which he described as “a horrible, disgraceful thing and a horrible act.”
The president was also asked by a reporter whether he saw “today, white nationalism as a rising threat around the world.”
“I don’t really,” Trump replied. “I think it’s a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. I guess if you look at what happened in New Zealand, perhaps that’s the case. I don’t know enough about it yet. They’re just learning about the person and the people involved. But it’s certainly a terrible thing.”
Good for you, you and Trump proved to meet on common grounds after all.
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 4:37 pm
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That's granpappy's white supremacy. The new white supremacy is worried about being replaced by busloads of muslims and mexicans.
-and I know, I know, the idea that white supremacists believe that they're getting kicked around by minorities is precious - and you might wonder how they can be white supremacists when they insist that they're losing - but you have to consider the end goal. An ethnostate. Supremacy by government writ.
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 5:11 pm
An asshat is an asshat is an asshat. No matter any subsect of human division, if you're a piece of shit scumbag fucktard, you a piece of shit scumbag fucktard!
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 5:20 pm
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Quote:No, it is monolithic, it is the belief that white people are superior to all other races.
Actually no it isn't even it shares some core views . White supremacists are an incoherent and loose bunch fueding as much among themselves as with those they oppose often resulting a fracturing and collapse .
Quote:Nice try trying to lessen its extremism,
He didn't
Quote: perhaps you want to introduce the "mental illness" card as a defense of the killer.
He was mentally disturbed
Quote:Look in the mirror. Your hate towards religion made you repeat what Donald Trump believes:
Not even close the mirror casts a totally different reflection
Quote:Good for you, you and Trump proved to meet on common grounds after all.
Not even but nice try imposing opinions on your opponents your absurdity never ceases
(August 28, 2020 at 4:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's granpappy's white supremacy. The new white supremacy is worried about being replaced by busloads of muslims and mexicans.
-and I know, I know, the idea that white supremacists believe that they're getting kicked around by minorities is precious - and you might wonder how they can be white supremacists when they insist that they're losing - but you have to consider the end goal. An ethnostate. Supremacy by government writ. You expect coherency from ideology that has none
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 6:25 pm
...honestly, I expect it to be as fractured as the people it appeals to. They like it, after all, because it's like them.
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 7:45 pm
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(August 28, 2020 at 4:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's granpappy's white supremacy. The new white supremacy is worried about being replaced by busloads of muslims and mexicans.
-and I know, I know, the idea that white supremacists believe that they're getting kicked around by minorities is precious - and you might wonder how they can be white supremacists when they insist that they're losing - but you have to consider the end goal. An ethnostate. Supremacy by government writ.
I think you're over-complicating the matter; there's no "grand goal" or even a "goal" in terrorist's mind: he/she only wants to kill those not agreeing with them.
Just like as a human you can understand the feline mentality, you can also understand the terrorist mentality.
Just that.
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 9:01 pm
(August 28, 2020 at 7:45 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (August 28, 2020 at 4:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's granpappy's white supremacy. The new white supremacy is worried about being replaced by busloads of muslims and mexicans.
-and I know, I know, the idea that white supremacists believe that they're getting kicked around by minorities is precious - and you might wonder how they can be white supremacists when they insist that they're losing - but you have to consider the end goal. An ethnostate. Supremacy by government writ.
I think you're over-complicating the matter; there's no "grand goal" or even a "goal" in terrorist's mind: he/she only wants to kill those not agreeing with them.
Just like as a human you can understand the feline mentality, you can also understand the terrorist mentality.
Just that.
Nonsense. Most terrorists have goals.
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 10:19 pm
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(August 28, 2020 at 9:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (August 28, 2020 at 7:45 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I think you're over-complicating the matter; there's no "grand goal" or even a "goal" in terrorist's mind: he/she only wants to kill those not agreeing with them.
Just like as a human you can understand the feline mentality, you can also understand the terrorist mentality.
Just that.
Nonsense. Most terrorists have goals.
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But they keep the terrorism going even after their "so called goals" are achieved.
Just like a rock rolling on a cliff: they just keep rolling and rolling.
They justify the rolling on the cliff with everything but the disease that made them roll in the first place.
Take this terrorist Tarrant. First he shot Muslims, then he was going to shoot more Muslims in a second mosque, then he was going to kill Africans, then Asians, then his own kin.
Didn't we see an identical right extremist in Norway?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
Quote:Motive Far-right extremism, Islamophobia[12]
77 white Europeans were killed.
Don't you see the exact same motives?
It's a rock falling down a cliff, crushing Muslims, whites, black, Asians, whatever.
There's no grand goal. There's simply hate and grudge encapsulated in a ghost of an ideology to make a mirage that it's something other than "pure evil and hate". A disease brought to one by himself.
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RE: Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing
August 28, 2020 at 11:16 pm
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Quote:But they keep the terrorism going even after their "so called goals" are achieved.
Yeah because it's all they have
Quote:Just like a rock rolling on a cliff: they just keep rolling and rolling.
Because an incoherent ideology can never be fulfilling
Quote:They justify the rolling on the cliff with everything but the disease that made them roll in the first place.
Yup but it's still an ideology with goals they simply shift and become ever more twisted
Quote:Take this terrorist Tarrant. First he shot Muslims, then he was going to shoot more Muslims in a second mosque, then he was going to kill Africans, then Asians, then his own kin.
Yup because the goal shifts to new enemies
Quote:Didn't we see an identical right extremist in Norway?
Still motivated by ideology
Quote:77 white Europeans were killed.
Yup in their mind the wrong kind of Europeans
Quote:Don't you see the exact same motives?
Yup a shisting list of enemies to be eliminated in their twist minds
Quote:It's a rock falling down a cliff, crushing Muslims, whites, black, Asians, whatever.
Nope it's a incoherent ideology that spirals as new enemies are created and new ever more twisted goals arise
Quote:There's no grand goal.
Yes there is it can simply never be met
Quote:There's simply hate and grudge encapsulated in a ghost of an ideology to make a mirage that it's something other than "pure evil and hate". A disease brought to one by himself.
Hate is it fuel . But it has goals .
Quote:I think you're over-complicating the matter;
Nope human are complicated as are motives
Quote:there's no "grand goal" or even a "goal" in terrorist's mind
Yes there is but it's incoherent and thus is impossible to fulfill
Quote:he/she only wants to kill those not agreeing with them.
That only a means to a twisted end
Quote:Just like as a human you can understand the feline mentality,
Terrorists are more complicated then cats
Quote: you can also understand the terrorist mentality.
Just that.
Not that easy i speak from experience
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