(January 16, 2021 at 9:12 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 16, 2021 at 8:11 am)onlinebiker Wrote: But....but...but....

They were trying to kill our officials!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/...index.html

Apparently not.


That's gotta be a real letdown to the more rabid left....




Wonder what else they overstated - just a bit?

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Accuracy?

1. Not exactly.

Quote:In court, Todd Allison, a line prosecutor for the Justice Department in Arizona, said DOJ may want to argue that type of assertion if Chansley goes to trial, but cannot say that at the moment.  "We do not want to mislead the court by discussing the strength of any specific evidence" related to his intent, Allison said.

2.  So, a count of three makes an insurrection more acceptable to you than a count of five?

Boru

Do you HAVE to play the either/or game?


Just because I want accurate reporting - and find the media's treatment of this event biased - does not mean I favor the idiots in question.

This "protest" was a stupid idea implemented by stupid people.

I don't trust what the media says all the time - just like I don't trust what Trump and his ilk spews.

When they start inflating shit like body counts I trust them even less.

(January 15, 2021 at 10:56 am)Brian37 Wrote: the symbol of western pluralism and democracy,

Hate to break it to you, but when most of us look to the symbol of democracy we think of France. Most people outside the US copped pretty quickly it wasn't a democracy.

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(January 15, 2021 at 11:27 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: It was really dumb to storm the capitol and these people should be punished, but whatever new laws are put in place about domestic terrorism or whatever else I find far more terrifying than a small number of idiots storming a building and causing a handful of deaths. The politicians act outraged, but they are really overjoyed that this took place, just like they were when 9/11 happened. Now they get to take away people's rights even further, and censorship is off the charts now. Just what they wanted. What the politicians can and will do, if far more terrifying than what the Trumpers did. That's my takeaway from all of this.

Aww boo-hoo you're now experiencing some blowback from your neo-nazi ways. It's actually a fate too good for you.

(January 16, 2021 at 3:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(January 16, 2021 at 9:12 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 1. Not exactly.


2.  So, a count of three makes an insurrection more acceptable to you than a count of five?

Boru

Do you HAVE to play the either/or game?


Just because I want accurate reporting - and find the media's treatment of this event biased - does not mean I favor the idiots in question.

This "protest" was a stupid idea implemented by stupid people.

I don't trust what the media says all the time - just like I don't trust what Trump and his ilk spews.

When they start inflating shit like body counts I trust them even less.

If a person suffered a fatal result of a health condition due to the stress of the situation or due to the situation delaying timely help from arriving then it's part of the body count.

The fact that you don't like the body count doesn't mean shit.

You only want to count who got shot.  

I have read that the cop who died after being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher may have actually died from something other than that blunt force trauma.  So I guess according to your way of counting...he didn't die because of the insurrection either.

Ever heard of collateral damage?  

Just because a death wasn't intentional doesn't mean it wasn't part of it.  

Jesus Fuck you need an attitude adjustment.

Kinda funny that the insurgents who keep insisting that everything they did was loyal, patriotic, and legal are begging Trump to pardon them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguar...mp-pardons

Her chief defense seems to be that she did what the president told her to do. That oughta play well in court.

Boru

(January 16, 2021 at 5:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Kinda funny that the insurgents who keep insisting that everything they did was loyal, patriotic, and legal are begging Trump to pardon them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguar...mp-pardons

Her chief defense seems to be that she did what the president told her to do. That oughta play well in court.

Boru

Didn't work for the Nazis who tried it as a defence, "I was following orders".

Yeah, two have asked for pardons from Trump.

I don't think tbey can afford a Trump Pardon™.

It was a riot until somebody swallowed a thesaurus and came up with "insurrection".

(January 15, 2021 at 12:36 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: What's wrong with punishing these type of people with laws that already exist?

They are not being punished. Traitors who tried to commit a coup are still walking around free today when what should have happened was that on the 6th of January they got a whiff of grapeshot.

(January 16, 2021 at 6:03 pm)Nomad Wrote:

(January 15, 2021 at 12:36 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: What's wrong with punishing these type of people with laws that already exist?

They are not being punished.  Traitors who tried to commit a coup are still walking around free today when what should have happened was that on the 6th of January they got a whiff of grapeshot.

There are already more than 200 arrest warrants out. More will be coming as the pissants turn on the other people in that riot.

(January 15, 2021 at 5:18 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And condemning the riots when not giving a shit about the material conditions that led to them just makes you an even bigger cunt:





Yeah, no shit, turning a peaceful protest into a full-blown riot is wrong and ultimately self-defeating, and non-violent means of protest are far better at effecting change and keeping the optics of your movement good in the long run. Doesn’t mean the protesters didn’t have a damn good point about how raw a deal they’ve been getting. You don’t want riots? Listen to what they have to say and try and address their grievances (assuming, of course, that said grievances actually hold up to scrutiny.)

Jesus Fuck, why is this speech still relevant half a century after MLK bought it?

Not if you're the far-right agitators and their enablers in the republitraitor party and the law enforcement who did the actual rioting, it's not.

(January 16, 2021 at 5:55 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It was a riot until somebody swallowed a thesaurus and came up with "insurrection".

They recently started calling the 67 Detroit riots "The Detroit uprising" as if the relabel makes it better.

My SO's uncle - a retired National Guard Warrant officer was there as a PFC... His thoughts? "Fuck you - it was a goddamned riot".