(February 18, 2021 at 5:57 pm)Ranjr Wrote:

(February 18, 2021 at 5:21 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: They are both only "economical" when subsidized by tax dollars.

Wind power has been around for centuries.

If it was more economical than other sources of energy it would have replaced steam power in the 19th century.

You're comparing a source of electricity to a source of mechanical force, while ignoring the facts of the day.  Nattering naybob.

Bullshit.

You are ignoring the economic realities. EVERY "successful green power source" is heavily subsidized by taxpayers.. They are not economically on par with other sources.

Period.

(February 18, 2021 at 8:20 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(February 18, 2021 at 3:05 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Texans.

Your power grid is failing and Fox Noise is blaming it on the failure of wind turbines that only provide 20% of your power.

And now you want all electric cars - and nobody is building new power plants....

Gee - what could go wrong?

Actually I'm all in favour of building modern nuclear plants and closing down the older, more dangerous ones, along with coal-powered plants.

Augment those with wind and solar farms, or the other way around, and it's a good start.

As already pointed out green energy works even without government backing and fossils fuels receive billions in tax dollars to keep them viable. You can state your opinion but that all it is. Just like your nonsense about population reduction as a solution to resource issues despite it being totally false.

(February 18, 2021 at 6:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(February 18, 2021 at 5:57 pm)Ranjr Wrote: You're comparing a source of electricity to a source of mechanical force, while ignoring the facts of the day.  Nattering naybob.

Bullshit.

You are ignoring the economic realities. EVERY "successful green power source" is heavily subsidized by taxpayers.. They are not economically on par with other sources.

Period.

That doesn't mean they will not be in the long term.  Because they will.  You're hung up on start up costs the lies of oil company shills.  All sources required investors to start, whether private of public.  And if tax money pays for sustainable resources, that's a great use for it.

Moreover, renewable sources do not carry the operating costs of fossil fuels.  That's economic reality.

(February 18, 2021 at 7:33 pm)Ranjr Wrote:

(February 18, 2021 at 6:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Bullshit.

You are ignoring the economic realities. EVERY "successful green power source" is heavily subsidized by taxpayers.. They are not economically on par with other sources.

Period.

That doesn't mean they will not be in the long term.  Because they will.  You're hung up on start up costs the lies of oil company shills.  All sources required investors to start, whether private of public.  And if tax money pays for sustainable resources, that's a great use for it.

Moreover, renewable sources do not carry the operating costs of fossil fuels.  That's economic reality.

There viable now and fossil fuels take billions in public investment to stay viable.

(February 18, 2021 at 7:33 pm)Ranjr Wrote:

(February 18, 2021 at 6:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Bullshit.

You are ignoring the economic realities. EVERY "successful green power source" is heavily subsidized by taxpayers.. They are not economically on par with other sources.

Period.

That doesn't mean they will not be in the lonlg term.  Because they will.  You're hung up on start up costs the lies of oil company shills.  All sources required investors to start, whether private of public.  And if tax money pays for sustainable resources, that's a great use for it.

Moreover, renewable sources do not carry the operating costs of fossil fuels.  That's economic reality.

Are you really proud of your ignorance?

Do you think you stick up a windmill - and it delivers free power forever?

Know what a set of blades cost? Do you know that those blades wear out? They do. Even more so in dry,  hot environments.

Know how long a windmill lasts?

In general a 3 mw unit will last 25-30 years before retiring. Under ideal conditions - you may get 7-10 years out of a $125,000 blade ( times 2 or 3). Under bad conditions (salty air, dusty environments) you could easily have to replace blades every 3 years.....

No free lunch, bud....

(February 18, 2021 at 10:27 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(February 18, 2021 at 7:33 pm)Ranjr Wrote: That doesn't mean they will not be in the lonlg term.  Because they will.  You're hung up on start up costs the lies of oil company shills.  All sources required investors to start, whether private of public.  And if tax money pays for sustainable resources, that's a great use for it.

Moreover, renewable sources do not carry the operating costs of fossil fuels.  That's economic reality.

Are you really proud of your ignorance?

Do you think you stick up a windmill - and it delivers free power forever?

Know what a set of blades cost? Do you know that those blades wear out? They do. Even more so in dry,  hot environments.

Know how long a windmill lasts?

In general a 3 mw unit will last 25-30 years before retiring. Under ideal conditions - you may get 7-10 years out of a $125,000 blade ( times 2 or 3). Under bad conditions (salty air, dusty environments) you could easily have to replace blades every 3 years.....

No free lunch, bud....

I didn't say free, son.  I said they don't carry the costs of fossil fuels.  But it's good you did some research.  I'm slowly bringing you along.

(February 19, 2021 at 12:05 am)Ranjr Wrote:

(February 18, 2021 at 10:27 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Are you really proud of your ignorance?

Do you think you stick up a windmill - and it delivers free power forever?

Know what a set of blades cost? Do you know that those blades wear out? They do. Even more so in dry,  hot environments.

Know how long a windmill lasts?

In general a 3 mw unit will last 25-30 years before retiring. Under ideal conditions - you may get 7-10 years out of a $125,000 blade ( times 2 or 3). Under bad conditions (salty air, dusty environments) you could easily have to replace blades every 3 years.....

No free lunch, bud....

I didn't say free, son.  I said they don't carry the costs of fossil fuels.  But it's good you did some research.  I'm slowly bringing you along.

"Son"?


Whelp - I have skid marks in my skivvies older than you...

There's a reason they make electricity with fossil fuels -

It makes money.


Unlike windmills - which need taxpayer money to appear profitable.

Quote:"Son"?


Whelp - I have skid marks in my skivvies older than you...

Who cares 

Quote:There's a reason they make electricity with fossil fuels -

It makes money.

They make it because there is a huge corporate lobby propping it up with tax dollars because they know it's a dying industry 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/walvanliero...629730417e

https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnov...cad5236ce9

Quote:Unlike windmills - which need taxpayer money to appear profitable.

Wind Turbines are profitable i already demonstrated earlier. Your wrong get over it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/...-subsidies

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(February 19, 2021 at 12:05 am)Ranjr Wrote:

(February 18, 2021 at 10:27 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Are you really proud of your ignorance?

Do you think you stick up a windmill - and it delivers free power forever?

Know what a set of blades cost? Do you know that those blades wear out? They do. Even more so in dry,  hot environments.

Know how long a windmill lasts?

In general a 3 mw unit will last 25-30 years before retiring. Under ideal conditions - you may get 7-10 years out of a $125,000 blade ( times 2 or 3). Under bad conditions (salty air, dusty environments) you could easily have to replace blades every 3 years.....

No free lunch, bud....

I didn't say free, son.  I said they don't carry the costs of fossil fuels.  But it's good you did some research.  I'm slowly bringing you along.

1. Love how he keeps calling it a windmill (tell me what it's milling ) It's a wind turbine 

2. No one thinks it generates free power forever (neither do power plants)

3.Special blades exist for all the conditions he lists and modifications can be made to the turbine to adapt it thus reducing costs and damage 

4. Talks about how long it lasts forgets to mention the near-constant maintenance the current energy system requires and its cost 

5. Note he doesn't source any of his claims

(February 19, 2021 at 12:12 am)onlinebiker Wrote: "Son"?


Whelp - I have skid marks in my skivvies older than you...

There's a reason they make electricity with fossil fuels -

It makes money.


Unlike windmills - which need taxpayer money to appear profitable.

Stop acting and thinking like a dumb kid then.  

The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.

Stop being a right wing shill

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(February 19, 2021 at 12:31 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

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1. Love how he keeps calling it a windmill (tell me what it's milling ) It's a wind turbine 

2. No one thinks it generates free power forever (neither do power plants)

3.Special blades exist for all the conditions he lists and modifications can be made to the turbine to adapt it thus reducing costs and damage 

4. Talks about how long it lasts forgets to mention the near-constant maintenance the current energy system requires and its cost 

5. Note he doesn't source any of his claims

I don't like the looks of wind farms.  It somehow make those parts of Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas even uglier.  It looks difficult to manufacture, transport, and install.  And what happens to all that at the end of life for the technology?  As an engineer, I thought it was a bad idea.  But, here we are.  It's working despite what I think.  Learning to accept you were wrong about something is an important lesson for children and adults.  Scientist and engineers are used to it.

He's also ignoring the huge environmental costs of fossil fuels, their impending expiration and the reasons we are scrambling to replace them.