(March 17, 2021 at 12:04 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Live updates: Suspect in Atlanta-area spa shootings that left eight dead might have frequented businesses, authorities say (msn.com)

Sounds like the shooter hated himself for his sex addiction and decided to remove further temptation.  The victims being Asian wasn't a factor.  The shooter couldn't control his penis or his gun.

Police arrested Robert Aaron Long, 21, after a brief manhunt and said he is the suspect in all three shootings. Authorities said Long took responsibility, and they believe he acted alone. “He made indicators that he has some issues, potentially sexual addiction, and may have frequented some of these places in the past,” Sheriff’s Capt. Jay Baker said at a news conference. “We still have a lot of things to process.”

Baker later added that in their interview with Long, 21, the suspect indicated that the spas were “a temptation” for him. “It’s a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate,” Baker told reporters. “It’s still early on, but those were comments that he made.”

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• Baker said Wednesday that Long claimed during interviews that the acts of violence Tuesday were not racially motivated. Atlanta Police Chief Rodney Bryant said that it remains unclear whether the shootings could be classified as a hate crime.
  

Based on this new information, I withdraw my earlier claim that he was targeting Asian people.

If it was truly a temptation he wanted to eliminate, it would have been better all round for him to just stay home and blow his balls off.

Boru

He was targeting Asians in the same manner as a guy driving his car off the road is targeting trees......

Prostitutes are "frequently" the targets of "lone wolf" killers, throughout the centuries. Unfortunately their motivation is usually put down to prostitutes being "vulnerable" rather than despised for their "profession" as it is an expression of the "acceptability" of female "infidelity," about which some/many "edgy" males have SERIOUS (homicidal?) hangups/rage. 2c

So he was targeting women.

(March 17, 2021 at 1:20 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: He was targeting Asians in the same manner as a guy driving his car off the road is targeting trees......

UGGGG, still staring at my finger when I am pointing at the moon.

I don't care if this sicko targeted ABBA fans because he wanted to fuck Agnetha Faltskog. 

Our country is unfortunately reactive to firearm violence AFTER THE FACT, regardless of motive, that costs more in lives and economically, than prevention would. I don't expect a perfect system, nor a "crystal ball". 

Our current laws SUCK, regardless of motive. 

If our firearm laws worked like vetting passenger jet pilots, or CIA agents, we would have far less firearm violence. 

I am not looking to end 100% of all firearm sales, or ownership. But it should not be as easy as walking into a shop, and having no record. This sicko legally bought his firearms hours before killing 8 people. The Vegas hotel/concert shooter, also had no record, and murdered 58 people before killing himself. And that sicko had dozens of legally purchased firearms.

(March 17, 2021 at 1:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 17, 2021 at 1:20 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: He was targeting Asians in the same manner as a guy driving his car off the road is targeting trees......

UGGGG, still staring at my finger when I am pointing at the moon.

I don't care if this sicko targeted ABBA fans because he wanted to fuck Agnetha Faltskog. 

Our country is unfortunately reactive to firearm violence AFTER THE FACT, regardless of motive, that costs more in lives and economically, than prevention would. I don't expect a perfect system, nor a "crystal ball". 

Our current laws SUCK, regardless of motive. 

If our firearm laws worked like vetting passenger jet pilots, or CIA agents, we would have far less firearm violence. 

I am not looking to end 100% of all firearm sales, or ownership. But it should not be as easy as walking into a shop, and having no record. This sicko legally bought his firearms hours before killing 8 people. The Vegas hotel/concert shooter, also had no record, and murdered 58 people before killing himself. And that sicko had dozens of legally purchased firearms.

You want to have your cake and eat it too....

You CANNOT predict future human behavior.

You seem to claim you can.


Tell us how.


Show us your crystal ball.

(March 17, 2021 at 1:44 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(March 17, 2021 at 1:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: UGGGG, still staring at my finger when I am pointing at the moon.

I don't care if this sicko targeted ABBA fans because he wanted to fuck Agnetha Faltskog. 

Our country is unfortunately reactive to firearm violence AFTER THE FACT, regardless of motive, that costs more in lives and economically, than prevention would. I don't expect a perfect system, nor a "crystal ball". 

Our current laws SUCK, regardless of motive. 

If our firearm laws worked like vetting passenger jet pilots, or CIA agents, we would have far less firearm violence. 

I am not looking to end 100% of all firearm sales, or ownership. But it should not be as easy as walking into a shop, and having no record. This sicko legally bought his firearms hours before killing 8 people. The Vegas hotel/concert shooter, also had no record, and murdered 58 people before killing himself. And that sicko had dozens of legally purchased firearms.

You want to have your cake and eat it too....

You CANNOT predict future human behavior.

You seem to claim you can.


Tell us how.


Show us your crystal ball.

Fallacy of equivocation. 

I cannot predict what a firearm buyer will do, BUT THAT IS NOT THE FUCKING POINT!

You are using this bullshit argument to avoid facing our firearm violence problem.

Show my YOUR crystal ball that predicts that everyone who legally buys a firearm won't go on to get violent. 

Your "crystal ball" is falsely assuming a legal buy will prevent the buyer from getting violent after the legal buy.

Yesterday's nut who murdered 8 people had no detectable record preventing him from LEGALLY buying the firearms he used just hours before his killing spree.

And again, none of what I am arguing is calling for a 100% ban on all firearms. 

I am saying that our vetting process SUCKS.

James Huberty in 1984 managed to legally buy firearms and walk into a McDonalds in California and murder 21 people. And despite the fact he sought mental health prior to committing that mass murder, the laws at that time didn't prevent him from owning the firearm he committed the mass murder with. Nothing could have stopped yesterday's sicko either. But that is my point. You falsely accuse me of defaulting to presumption of guilt, which is not what I am arguing. 

Stop using the "crystal ball" bullshit. This isn't about denial of rights, or assuming guilt. It is a matter of public safety. Just like taking a pilots test, isn't assuming you will crash the plane. 

And I will say it again. Having read your responses over the years on this issue, I damned sure know if you owned a gun shop, you would NOT sell me a firearm. But, your fucked up logic ignores that I could go to another shop and legally buy one right now.

Do you have a "crystal ball" that would predict me using a firearm to commit a killing spree? No you do not. But I also know you'd be lying your ass off if you'd claim you'd be willing to sell me a firearm.

Saying firearms are too easy to obtain, is not a call for a 100% ban.

(March 17, 2021 at 1:08 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

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(March 17, 2021 at 1:07 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I believe you need to be a protected class for it to be a hate crime.

Hmmmm. Seems a pretty uneven application of the law.....

I thought we were trying to end that......


Oh well..

I think Angrboda is right in her assessment.

Seeing that in most places in the US sex for money is illegal, I would assume that's why sex workers aren't a protected class in and of itself.

(March 17, 2021 at 2:07 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(March 17, 2021 at 1:08 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

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Hmmmm. Seems a pretty uneven application of the law.....

I thought we were trying to end that......


Oh well..

I think Angrboda is right in her assessment.

Seeing that in most places in the US sex for money is illegal, I would assume that's why sex workers aren't a protected class in and of itself.

I once met a girl who worked at a massage parlour (and for the benefit of anyone reading this who happens to be my wife, I would like to stress that I met her in a totally non-massage situation).

She seemed very sincere that she and her co-workers didn’t consider themselves part of the sex-for-money trades, since BJs and handies weren’t actually sex.

The things we tell ourselves to get through the day, amiright?

Boru

(March 17, 2021 at 1:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 17, 2021 at 12:04 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Live updates: Suspect in Atlanta-area spa shootings that left eight dead might have frequented businesses, authorities say (msn.com)

Sounds like the shooter hated himself for his sex addiction and decided to remove further temptation.  The victims being Asian wasn't a factor.  The shooter couldn't control his penis or his gun.

Police arrested Robert Aaron Long, 21, after a brief manhunt and said he is the suspect in all three shootings. Authorities said Long took responsibility, and they believe he acted alone. “He made indicators that he has some issues, potentially sexual addiction, and may have frequented some of these places in the past,” Sheriff’s Capt. Jay Baker said at a news conference. “We still have a lot of things to process.”

Baker later added that in their interview with Long, 21, the suspect indicated that the spas were “a temptation” for him. “It’s a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate,” Baker told reporters. “It’s still early on, but those were comments that he made.”

...

• Baker said Wednesday that Long claimed during interviews that the acts of violence Tuesday were not racially motivated. Atlanta Police Chief Rodney Bryant said that it remains unclear whether the shootings could be classified as a hate crime.
  

Based on this new information, I withdraw my earlier claim that he was targeting Asian people.

If it was truly a temptation he wanted to eliminate, it would have been better all round for him to just stay home and blow his balls off.

Boru

Yes and no.

Based on the updated accounts, I still think he was targeting Asians, but more for a taste reason. I think this guy got rejected one too many times by Asian women.

He liked Asians, but got pissed they rejected him. But regardless, his daddy's deeply religious indoctrination didn't help.

My point is that I don't care. 

I don't care that he murdered them because of religious indoctrination that sex was evil, or if he really hated Asians. I don't care. He was a disturbed person, and the assholes who sold him the firearms he used to commit the murders didn't give a shit that by selling him the firearms the end result would end up in 8 needless deaths.

All the sellers cared about was making a buck.