Quote:Who told themselves that? Could have and might have are quite different from did.

We have no reason to think it did period 

Quote:I never thought it would be controversial to state that jurors shouldn't fear for their safety.

That's not what you were saying. You were saying the trial was tainted because the jury feared for their lives. That is controversial as well as unsupported.

Since the court had ordered the personal information of the jurors to not be disclosed, it seems that they’re of the opinion that people who wanted Chauvin acquitted are a danger to the jurors. 

In light of, it seems that Ms. Christensen would have been under threat no matter which way she voted. All the more reason to think that her opinion was based on the evidence and the way it was presented, and not based on her fear of retribution. If she was that fearful - no matter which way she voted - she wouldn’t have been a juror at all (anyone with sense enough to pour piss out of a boot can get out of jury duty).

Boru

(April 24, 2021 at 4:33 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:I never thought it would be controversial to state that jurors shouldn't fear for their safety.

That's not what you were saying. You were saying the trial was tainted because the jury feared for their lives. That is controversial as well as unsupported.

And just so we're clear about this, here's something IA said a little less than 24 hours ago:

(April 23, 2021 at 6:16 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: No. It just raises questions about whether a fair trial was ever possible.

With or without the political baggage, we had EIGHT current and former police officers explaining that the force Chauvin used on Floyd (six from the MPD, and four officers who specialise in figuring out the exact sort of force needed to subdue a perp), and six doctors and chemists who explained that it was that excessive force that killed Floyd and not his fentanyl use, demolishing the defense's arguments before they took to the stand, and when the defense finally did, the best thing they could say was "does not!" or that maybe it was Carbon Monoxide poisoning from the exhaust of the car that shouldn't even be pushing out exhaust because it's a hybrid Ford Explorer that was idling. And that's not even mentioning the multiple videos filmed of the incident.

The evidence alone should have sealed this case. Anyone who could see all that and conclude that maybe Derek Chauvin wasn't guilty from the evidence alone was likely Hell-bent on acquitting him in the first place.

(April 24, 2021 at 4:33 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:Who told themselves that? Could have and might have are quite different from did.

We have no reason to think it did period 

Quote:I never thought it would be controversial to state that jurors shouldn't fear for their safety.

That's not what you were saying. You were saying the trial was tainted because the jury feared for their lives. That is controversial as well as unsupported.

What I posted was that this info raises concerns and raises questions. I have not claimed that the trial should be overturned. I just saw what the alternate juror said and I thought it was worthy of note, and is relevant to the OP, which asks if it will be a fair trial. And let's not forget that the judge said it could possibly be thrown out because of what Mad Maxine Waters said.

I was reacting to what an alternate juror said. When the verdict was announced, I did not come in to the thread saying that the results should be thrown out and the trial done over again. I admitted that Chauvin most probably played a significant role in Floyd's death.

Quote:What I posted was that this info raises concerns and raises questions. 

No, it doesn't, And you only brought it up to cast doubt on the ruling.

Quote:I have not claimed that the trial should be overturned.

You have implied it, And you as Am pointed out you were virtually giddy about the possibility of them throwing the case out.

Quote: I just saw what the alternate juror said and I thought it was worthy of note, and is relevant to the OP, which asks if it will be a fair trial. And let's not forget that the judge said it could possibly be thrown out because of what Mad Maxine Waters said.

You only brought this up to spin a narrative of the doubt based on nothing.

Quote:I was reacting to what an alternate juror said. When the verdict was announced, I did not come in to the thread saying that the results should be thrown out and the trial done over again. I admitted that Chauvin most probably played a significant role in Floyd's death.

You selected a quote from an article to spin the idea the ruling was based on intimidation, not the evidence. Implying the trial should be retried or overturned. Don't insult our intelligence.

(April 23, 2021 at 7:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Frankly, given how much the prosecution destroyed the defense’s case, that neither the fentanyl nor any sort of carbon monoxide poisoning were responsible enough for his death to keep Chauvin from being liable for Floyd’s death, and that what Chauvin did was disproportionate to any sort of threat Floyd was posing, I doubt there was enough room for doubt for the threat of rioting to play a role in a guilty verdict.

Exactly.
The threat of the public rioting is present in almost any case. 
It would be impossible to eliminate that risk today with 24 hour, instant world-wide news coverage. 
It's a non-argument, and if one were to accept the assumptions there, one could hold no trial, ever, ... and there has not been an alternative presented. 
Should they just have left Chauvin go on his merry way ? No one said justice is perfect. 9+ minutes on Floyd's neck makes him guilty, mob or no mob.

(April 24, 2021 at 2:27 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: To be fair, I don't think any of the details are technically wrong, per se. Sure seems to be leaving a Hell of a lot out, though...

They left the biggest thing out, the fact that Floyd's death was caused by the murderer Chauvin kneeling on his neck for nine minutes. Everything written in that propoganda piece was designed to obscure that fact.

(April 24, 2021 at 11:08 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(April 23, 2021 at 7:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Frankly, given how much the prosecution destroyed the defense’s case, that neither the fentanyl nor any sort of carbon monoxide poisoning were responsible enough for his death to keep Chauvin from being liable for Floyd’s death, and that what Chauvin did was disproportionate to any sort of threat Floyd was posing, I doubt there was enough room for doubt for the threat of rioting to play a role in a guilty verdict.

Exactly.
The threat of the public rioting is present in almost any case. 
It would be impossible to eliminate that risk today with 24 hour, instant world-wide news coverage. 
It's a non-argument, and if one were to accept the assumptions there, one could hold no trial, ever, ... and there has not been an alternative presented. 
Should they just have left Chauvin go on his merry way ? No one said justice is perfect. 9+ minutes on Floyd's neck makes him guilty, mob or no mob.

Bull. Shit.
Almost any case? Really? Almost every murder trial has a threat of public rioting? Are you sure about that? Almost all trials had mobs of people backed by public officials threatening to go ape while the details of jurors were widely available?
This is fantasy land now. Look, I get you all like the verdict. Fine, whatever. Don't care. But are we really humoring this as a counter-point? 

Lets be real, there is going to be a retrial and when it happens it won't be because Chauvin is innocent or guilty. That will have zero bearing. It will be because irresponsible asshats decided that political posturing and communicating the extent of their displeasure was more important than ensuring they didn't interfere with a fair trial. 
You should be just as bothered by this if not more as not only does it set a terrible precedent for how people should conduct themselves during any important trial but it could potentially give Chauvin the means to a reduced sentence when things have cooled down on him and the heat is on someone else.

Police in the US are used to getting away with killing people. Have you seen the initial report of Floyds arrest/murder. It misses out an important detail.

"After he got out [of the car], he physically restrained officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and note he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later."

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/george-flo...y-verdict/

If I have this correct, news media is reporting that for now, Chauvin is going to be sentenced June 16th. Of course that is subject to change with legal challenges.