John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Transgenderism shouldn't be seen as any more or less of a dehuminizing word than autism, parkinsonism, neuroticism, etc.

(April 30, 2021 at 3:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Already provided. A manufactured reality. An idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically considered to be subjective and not based on empirical data.

That boys are so and so and girls are such and such is not an empirical observation. It's a cultural assertion. That assertion doesn't just effect cisgender people, it effects us all. As another poster pointed out...theres a differene between transgenderism and dysmorphia. In dysmorphia, we feel that our body map is inaccurate. In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inacurate.

(April 30, 2021 at 3:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Already provided. A manufactured reality. An idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically considered to be subjective and not based on empirical data.

In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inaccurate, that we are the wrong gender regardless of our gear. This latter perception explicitly aims at the cultural assertion as it's point of reference.

(April 30, 2021 at 3:37 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(April 30, 2021 at 3:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Already provided. A manufactured reality. An idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically considered to be subjective and not based on empirical data.

In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inaccurate, that we are the wrong gender regardless of our gear. This latter perception explicitly aims at the cultural assertion as it's point of reference.

So, then it follows that transgenderism is a manufactured reality? One manufactured by society rather than the individual?

If that were the case, then being "the wrong designation" is a nonsense statement. There is no right and wrong designation if gender is subjective and only society can manufacture it.

(April 30, 2021 at 2:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Social constructs are real things.  So are concerns and frustrations rooted in constructs.  Heres a rabbit hole for you.  West virginia has the highest percentage of transgender teens in the us.

Do we think that's an effect of a local breeding pop in west virginia?  That there was some supercollection of trans carriers fucking about two decades ago blipping the charts today?  Seems unlikely.  At any rate, little about gender makes any sense at all, under any view - in that sense...but that doesn't mean that gender can't be made sense of outside of those nonsensical gender assertions which color our perception as minds embodied in societies.

Quote:The percentage of U.S. adults who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) ranges from 1.7% in North Dakota to 5.1% in Hawaii and 10% in the District of Columbia, according to Gallup surveys conducted from June-December 2012. Residents in the District of Columbia were most likely to identify as LGBT (10%). Among states, the highest percentage was in Hawaii (5.1%) and the lowest in North Dakota (1.7%), but all states are within two percentage points of the nationwide average of 3.5%.

(Gallup)

(April 30, 2021 at 3:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That boys are so and so and girls are such and such is not an empirical observation.  It's a cultural assertion.  That assertion doesn't just effect cisgender people, it effects us all.  As another poster pointed out...theres a difference between transgenderism and dysmorphia.  In dysmorphia, we feel that our body map is profoundly inaccurate with respect to our desires.  That we have the wrong set of gear, that our gear is insufficient or unacceptable.  In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inaccurate, that we are the wrong gender regardless of our gear.  This latter perception explicitly aims at the cultural assertion as it's point of reference.

(April 30, 2021 at 3:13 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Transgenderism shouldn't be seen as any more or less of a dehuminizing word than autism, parkinsonism, neuroticism, etc.

So, are you implying that transgenders are mentally ill? And, why didn't you answer my direct question from above?

(April 30, 2021 at 7:08 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(April 30, 2021 at 3:13 pm)Jehanne Wrote: So, are you implying that transgenders are mentally ill? And, why didn't you answer my direct question from above?

I don't answer your questions because they seem like attempts at getting offended and I'm not interested in participating. Neuroticism is a personality trait not a mental illness. Parkinsonism is a neurological problem not a mental illness. And even if Autism does partially fall into your category of mental illness, do you consider it dehumanizing or offensive to have autism? Are people with mental illnesses somehow beneath you?