Understanding transgenderism.

[Jehanne]

Transgenderism shouldn't be seen as any more or less of a dehuminizing word than autism, parkinsonism, neuroticism, etc.

So, are you implying that transgenders are mentally ill? And, why didn't you answer my direct question from above?

[The Grand Nudger]

Already provided. A manufactured reality. An idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically considered to be subjective and not based on empirical data.

That boys are so and so and girls are such and such is not an empirical observation. It's a cultural assertion. That assertion doesn't just effect cisgender people, it effects us all. As another poster pointed out...theres a difference between transgenderism and dysmorphia. In dysmorphia, we feel that our body map is profoundly inaccurate with respect to our desires. That we have the wrong set of gear, that our gear is insufficient or unacceptable. In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inaccurate, that we are the wrong gender regardless of our gear. This latter perception explicitly aims at the cultural assertion as it's point of reference.

[Jehanne]

Already provided. A manufactured reality. An idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically considered to be subjective and not based on empirical data.

That boys are so and so and girls are such and such is not an empirical observation. It's a cultural assertion. That assertion doesn't just effect cisgender people, it effects us all. As another poster pointed out...theres a differene between transgenderism and dysmorphia. In dysmorphia, we feel that our body map is inaccurate. In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inacurate.

And, I guess that I would ask (not you, them), "And, your point is??"

[John 6IX Breezy]

Already provided. A manufactured reality. An idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically considered to be subjective and not based on empirical data.

In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inaccurate, that we are the wrong gender regardless of our gear. This latter perception explicitly aims at the cultural assertion as it's point of reference.

So, then it follows that transgenderism is a manufactured reality according to you? One manufactured by society rather than the individual?

If that were the case, then being "the wrong designation" is a nonsense statement. There is no right and wrong designation if gender is arbitrary and only society can manufacture it.

[Jehanne]

Already provided. A manufactured reality. An idea or theory containing various conceptual elements, typically considered to be subjective and not based on empirical data.

In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inaccurate, that we are the wrong gender regardless of our gear. This latter perception explicitly aims at the cultural assertion as it's point of reference.

So, then it follows that transgenderism is a manufactured reality? One manufactured by society rather than the individual?

If that were the case, then being "the wrong designation" is a nonsense statement. There is no right and wrong designation if gender is subjective and only society can manufacture it.

Even if such is a manufactured reality, it is a pleasant one. Even if you are "right", you are still wrong.

[Angrboda]

Social constructs are real things.  So are concerns and frustrations rooted in constructs.  Heres a rabbit hole for you.  West virginia has the highest percentage of transgender teens in the us.

Do we think that's an effect of a local breeding pop in west virginia?  That there was some supercollection of trans carriers fucking about two decades ago blipping the charts today?  Seems unlikely.  At any rate, little about gender makes any sense at all, under any view - in that sense...but that doesn't mean that gender can't be made sense of outside of those nonsensical gender assertions which color our perception as minds embodied in societies.

By that logic, sexual orientation is also purely a social construct (see below). That's obviously wrong somewhere along the way. Other than that, your entire argument is ipse dixit, which is a polite way of saying that you're talking out of your ass. Do you have any medical or scientific evidence supporting your view. I've already provided evidence that you're wrong, and so far you haven't addressed it.

The percentage of U.S. adults who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) ranges from 1.7% in North Dakota to 5.1% in Hawaii and 10% in the District of Columbia, according to Gallup surveys conducted from June-December 2012. Residents in the District of Columbia were most likely to identify as LGBT (10%). Among states, the highest percentage was in Hawaii (5.1%) and the lowest in North Dakota (1.7%), but all states are within two percentage points of the nationwide average of 3.5%.

(Gallup)

[HappySkeptic]

That boys are so and so and girls are such and such is not an empirical observation.  It's a cultural assertion.  That assertion doesn't just effect cisgender people, it effects us all.  As another poster pointed out...theres a difference between transgenderism and dysmorphia.  In dysmorphia, we feel that our body map is profoundly inaccurate with respect to our desires.  That we have the wrong set of gear, that our gear is insufficient or unacceptable.  In transgenderism, we feel that our gender designation is inaccurate, that we are the wrong gender regardless of our gear.  This latter perception explicitly aims at the cultural assertion as it's point of reference.

I agree with one caveat.

Anyone who has raised kids knows that boys and girls aren't the same on average.  Hormones affect the brain. 

That being said, there is a huge amount of variation, and I agree that culturally-assigned gender roles often don't fit the person, and we all suffer from it.

In many ways I'm a typical male.  In some ways I'm not.  Allowing everyone the freedom to be themselves is a worthy goal, whether it is in sexual attraction, or personal expression.

[John 6IX Breezy]

Transgenderism shouldn't be seen as any more or less of a dehuminizing word than autism, parkinsonism, neuroticism, etc.

So, are you implying that transgenders are mentally ill? And, why didn't you answer my direct question from above?

I don't answer your questions because they seem like attempts at getting offended and I'm not interested in participating. Neuroticism is a personality trait not a mental illness. Parkinsonism is a neurological problem not a mental illness. And even if Autism does partially fall into your category of mental illness, do you consider it dehumanizing or offensive to have autism? Are people with mental illnesses somehow beneath you?

[Jehanne]

So, are you implying that transgenders are mentally ill? And, why didn't you answer my direct question from above?

I don't answer your questions because they seem like attempts at getting offended and I'm not interested in participating. Neuroticism is a personality trait not a mental illness. Parkinsonism is a neurological problem not a mental illness. And even if Autism does partially fall into your category of mental illness, do you consider it dehumanizing or offensive to have autism? Are people with mental illnesses somehow beneath you?

No, not at all. Per the DSM-V, being LGBTQ is no longer considered to be a mental and/or neurological condition.

[Rev. Rye]

Of course, neither is Asperger’s.