(June 19, 2021 at 10:42 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(June 19, 2021 at 10:39 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: And I bet crack cocaine has caused fewer deaths than nicotine. Doesn't mean one is less dangerous than the other.

It's true that no conclusion in favor of religion could be drawn from this. But according to this chart, a non-religious country is more likely to go to war than a religious country.

Your chart says nothing about "the likelihood of a non-religious country to enter a war." Your chart displays the percentage of wars caused by religion. And why do you think my country is nonreligious? You don't know what country I'm from. My country could be painfully and stupidly religious depending on what factors one uses to deem a country "religious."

(June 19, 2021 at 10:50 pm)Foxaire Wrote:

(June 19, 2021 at 10:44 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Nope. The argument is that you atheists can justify anything including rape and bestiality. I don't think you can refute Peter Singer's (a professional philosopher, BTW) rationalization of raping disabled people, that's what atheism offers you : arbitrary morality. Enjoy.

The news is constantly filled with religious fundamentalists and religious leaders doing immoral things such as raping and killing children.

When was the last time you saw a headline that read, Man behaves immorally because of atheism?

Idiot thinks Atheists can justify anything as if the mere ability to make an argument means it justified. This is yet another reason not to tale Klor seriously 

(June 19, 2021 at 10:36 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(June 19, 2021 at 10:27 pm)brewer Wrote: Instead of considering you simply ignorant, you're in my book as a troll, congratulations.

When you mention molar pregnancies—its a valid argument. When I bring up fetal alcohol syndrome—now that's trolling. Flawless reasoning lol.

Troll. You now need to own it.

(June 19, 2021 at 10:45 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: If she didn't ask my advice would I ever force my concerns about teratogens upon her? No.

You have to admit that's a funny answer lol. Look, everything has its limits—every conviction, every moral judgment, every belief. Failure to recognize this puts us one step away from fanaticism. The antidote is recognizing the nuance of complexity, and avoiding an absolutist mentality.

(June 19, 2021 at 10:47 pm)Helios Wrote: No, you can't justify anything. Peter Singer's ideas are bullshit Philospher or not. 

Peter Singer is a respectable moral philosopher who honestly defended raping disabled people, his argument is based on utilitarian ideas. I respect him because he's courageous enough to handle the consequences of his atheism, and what the absence of religious morality leads to.

(June 19, 2021 at 10:47 pm)Helios Wrote: Atheism does not lead to arbitrary morality. 

Come on, don't be a coward. Just breathe and say that out loud : Bestiality/child rape is arbitrary and defendable under atheism. I know that you, deep inside, would love to see bestiality legalized.

(June 19, 2021 at 10:50 pm)Foxaire Wrote: The news is constantly filled with religious fundamentalists and religious leaders doing immoral things such as raping and killing children.

When was the last time you saw a headline that read, Man behaves immorally because of atheism?

I don't think news headlines are a good basis to make an argument. 99% of stuff we read about religious leaders doing bad stuff is complete hoax or exaggerations. And rumors like some religious leader commiting rape often have political motives to discredit him completely.

(June 19, 2021 at 11:02 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I don't think news headlines are a good basis to make an argument.

Neither is a pie chart, yet here we are.

(June 19, 2021 at 10:52 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Your chart says nothing about "the likelihood of a non-religious country to enter a war." Your chart displays the percentage of wars caused by religion. And why do you think my country is nonreligious? You don't know what country I'm from. My country could be painfully and stupidly religious depending on what factors one uses to deem a country "religious."

Well, we can simply take this likelihood to be the ratio of non religious wars per the total number of wars, which is exactly what this chart displays. It's the well-known frequentist approach in statistics.

(June 19, 2021 at 11:02 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(June 19, 2021 at 10:50 pm)Foxaire Wrote: The news is constantly filled with religious fundamentalists and religious leaders doing immoral things such as raping and killing children.

When was the last time you saw a headline that read, Man behaves immorally because of atheism?

I don't think news headlines are a good basis to make an argument. 99% of stuff we read about religious leaders doing bad stuff is complete hoax or exaggerations. And rumors like some religious leader commiting rape often have political motives to discredit him completely.

(June 19, 2021 at 11:04 pm)Foxaire Wrote: Neither is a pie chart, yet here we are.

Statistics and pie charts are based on scientific work, unlike news headlines...

Quote:Peter Singer is a respectable moral philosopher who honestly defended raping disabled people, his argument is based on utilitarian ideas. I respect him because he's courageous enough to handle the consequences of his atheism, and what the absence of religious morality leads to.

Nah he's fucking idiot who doesn't have a clue. So no wonder you like him. You are totally alike.🤡

Quote:Come on, don't be a coward. Just breathe and say that out loud : Bestiality/child rape is arbitrary and defendable under atheism. I know that you, deep inside, would love to see bestiality legalized.

Nah I'm good with the courage of moral convictions and the fact neither of those acts are justified under atheism. You on the other hand can continue to  spew empty apologist rhetoric and continue to make me laugh  😂

You are a fucking moron 😂