If a person omits hadiths, then they’ll just pray. How will they pray, why does it matter.. magic book didn’t specify so they needn’t be concerned. It wouldn’t matter how. The belief has a certain ring to it. There are people who don’t believe that genuine faith or a genuine god is interested in triviality.

(July 29, 2021 at 11:32 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If a person omits hadiths, then they’ll just pray.  How will they pray, why does it matter

Well according to Islam, prayer clearly matters, other verses even give indications of some movement that should be performed during prayer : And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship) (2:43)

Clearly one cannot pray as they please. The verse tells us to be steadfast in prayer but doesn't indicate the exact frequency or timing of prayers (again, the five prayers are nowhere in the Qur'an).

Unfortunately for you and Winter, some verses about prayer are much more problematic :

Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind). (2:238)

The Qur'an tells us that there is a middle prayer, Winter tried in a previous thread to come up with the ad hoc number 3 (the number of prayers), so that the second prayer would be the middle prayer, but why not 5 or 7 or 9,.. or any odd number of prayers?

It's clear that, without additional information, there is no way to get even the numbers of prayers straight, let alone how they're performed, and their exact timing. It's just impossible, Qur'anism is unfortunately an impasse.

You’ll have to decide which absurd thing you intend to argue Kloro. That magic book tells us how to pray, or that without Hadith we wouldn’t know how to pray.

I’m only pointing out that to a person who doesn’t believe in Hadith..your worries about how, then, to pray - are your own. Not theirs.

The loss of the contents of the Hadith matter as much to a Quran only believer as the loss of the Quran would matter to a Christian.

(July 29, 2021 at 6:59 pm)WinterHold Wrote: And just for the record:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-63096.html

Quote:[Quranic Reflection]: On reading the Quran..

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(July 29, 2021 at 6:58 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Trolls like you?  Posting thread after thread of Quranic Refelctions on an atheist forum....seems trollish to me.

No, I'm posting in the "Islamic section" in an "atheist forum". please if you have a problem with it remove the Islamic section altogether or post a warning in top preventing Quranic reflections.

If you are going to post on this forum, you need to expect people to respond. And when they respond in a way you don't like, that does not make them a troll or a sock or a spammer.

Stop acting like you are in charge...you aren't.