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[Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
#31
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
(July 28, 2021 at 8:50 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(July 28, 2021 at 8:29 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You do know I hope, that the walking around that meteorite far predated Islam. They used to worship hundreds of gods in the Kaaba, including the 3 divine daughters which originally were Allah's daughters, in the now removed, Satanic Verses. It was but one of many many cultural practices, ideas, myths, concepts and literary artifacts they took from the culture which invented Islam. 
Even the Shiite / Sunny conflict was basically a cultural war long before the made up conflict Muslims pretend it originated from.   
Almost nothing in Islam is original. Even the god developed directly from the Arabic moon-god, al-Illah, (also known as the god named "Sin" in the Bible, whom the Hebrews were told again and again to stop worshipping, .... in that sense Islam is not an "Abrahamic" religion, as the gods are different, although they both do revere Abraham as a prophet).

Among the elements in the Quran they stole, (actually in academia, it's known as "syncretism" or "borrowing", but it's certainly not original),from other sources are:

1. Moses and the Fish, (came from Babylon/Ugarit/the El myths),
2. Solomon listening to the ants, common fairy tales, existing all over the Ancient Near East,
3. Jinns, (genies) working for Solomon, both common fairy tales, existing all over the Ancient Near East,
4. Mary in the temple, (stolen from one of the proto gospels),
5. Jesus talking in the crib, (from the known Proto Gospel after Jacob)
6. The Egyptian child stories, (from the Arab Child Gospel, and The Thomas' Child Gospel), both just made up fairy stories.
7. Jesus making birds from clay, (known source, .."The Child Gospel after Thomas" vs 1-4),
8. Mary and the Palm, was taken from the Proto Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 20.
9. Mo's Night Journey to Heaven, taken from either the Hebrew Merebah, or the well known Gnostic "Enoc's Journey to Heaven", which is identical to to Ibn Ishaq’s story after Abu Said al-Chudri)
10. The Sleepers in the Cave, straight from the fairy story from Ephesus, (Mo got the dates wrong, but the story is right),
11. Alexander the Great, (Surah 18), (straight plagiarism), AND there was NO place in the world with enough iron blocks to close off a whole valley in 330 BC.
12. The myth about Ad. Straight from Arab folk tales.
13. Thamud – same as 12.
14. Median – copied from Arab folk tales.

Trolling is not allowed and copy-pasting arguments of others from other forums is also not allowed:

https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/sho...#pid179476

I have no time to feed trolls and vermin.

https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/1...t-page-64/

Another link proving the spammy behavior.

Looks like a gang of atheist trolls with a grudge on Islam. I bet this guy is a sock.


Ah yes, "vermin". I see your religion of peace does you a lot of good. 
Tomorrow I may post the lines from the Quran to murder non-believers and do violence. The religion of peace. 





I see actually you can answer nothing. You are totally ignorant of the origins of Islam. 
Too bad for you, but your sock claim is 100 % false. 
I AM the poster of the others, and arewethereyet knows me (well) from before, and can verify it is the SAME Bucky Ball. 
We have been friends for years.

That is not the problem here. It's hardly a "grudge"on Islam. It's nothing but HISTORICAL TRUTH.
Something you people have a very hard time with.
The problem is you are SO totally ignorant of your own religion's history, you cannot refute ANYTHING I said. 
So you have to call it spam.

Too bad you cannot deal with the TRUTH.
But thanks very much for posting the link to the entire article I wrote some time ago, after which the imam stopped talking to me, as he had no answers either.
https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/sho...#pid179476
The archaeological PROOF of the moon god fact, and many other historical references, by eminent scholars are in the article.
I don't care what religion makes you feel good, but don't tell lies.

Someone once asked Dr. Bart Ehrman when he was going to expose Islam like he had Christianity, and he replied "When I stop valuing my life".
We all know he would get a death fatwah just like the author of the Satanic Verses did, if he were to write about what is known, historically.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pagan_Origins_of_Islam



Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn
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#32
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
Big surprise...Winter did what he does...he ran away.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#33
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
(July 28, 2021 at 9:20 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Big surprise...Winter did what he does...he ran away.





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#34
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
(July 28, 2021 at 9:00 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(July 28, 2021 at 8:50 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Trolling is not allowed and copy-pasting arguments of others from other forums is also not allowed:

https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/sho...#pid179476

I have no time to feed trolls and vermin.

https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/1...t-page-64/

Another link proving the spammy behavior.

Looks like a gang of atheist trolls with a grudge on Islam. I bet this guy is a sock.

I assure you Bucky is not a sock or a troll.

(July 28, 2021 at 10:55 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(July 28, 2021 at 9:20 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Big surprise...Winter did what he does...he ran away.





Sleepy





Checkmate. FSM wins again.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

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#35
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Bukhari

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)
""Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)
"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.
Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.
Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).
Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.
Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.
Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.
Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.
Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.
Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.
Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "
Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).
Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.
Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.
Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn
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#36
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
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#37
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
(July 28, 2021 at 11:14 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Bukhari

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)
""Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)
"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.
Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.
Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).
Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.
Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.
Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.
Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.
Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.
Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.
Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "
Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).
Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.
Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.
Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.

I only believe in the Quran.
Hadith books are obsolete. Please discuss the main topic or open another specific thread for this matter.
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#38
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
Getting owned so hard by Bucky. Makes one almost pity Atlass.

P.S.: Nope, dont think Bucky is a troll just because he disagrees with you. Nice try tho.  Hehe
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#39
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
(July 29, 2021 at 5:00 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Getting owned so hard by Bucky. Makes one almost pity Atlass.

P.S.: Nope, dont think Bucky is a troll just because he disagrees with you. Nice try tho.  Hehe

Feeding trolls is not allowed.
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#40
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the Hajj.
(July 29, 2021 at 3:52 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(July 28, 2021 at 11:14 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Bukhari



I only believe in the Quran.
Hadith books are obsolete. Please discuss the main topic or open another specific thread for this matter.

Read the rules, limiting thread participation is not allowed.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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