Well, Kichi, I am glad to know the depths of your cynicism.

You've certainly convinced me to sit on my hands and be content in knowing that nothing can change. Quite productive.

Maybe the theist is right. Maybe we're all going to burn.


FWIW, I hold that human societies lack the necessary resources, political, social, or whatever, to avert disaster in time. It was an interesting species, while it lasted. Maybe future generations will talk about a population bottleneck of a few million, or perhaps another species, better suited to the new climate, will take over our former ecological niche, and we will become the staple of their diet (ignoring bacteria, virii and prions).

Time to throw in the towel eh? You first.

Well, with Kichi calling climate change a fraud and people in power treating it as a polarization game, I feel that "throwing in the towel" is effectively what we're doing on an individual and collective level.

I've developed parts of global warming simulations and spent better part of a few years interning for such an organization. But, according to the Right, I've wasted my time on a 'fraud'. Guess anything I've to say must be a fraud too.

I just hope that the zombie apocalypse can come before the effects of irreversible climate change get too bad.

Don't you guys considered the possibly of government discredited the claims of globe warming, climate change and damages of Earth's life diversity - to keep the society under ignorance control. For example, CO2 filters, pollution filters or any methods to improve Earth's environment, probably required billions of billions money to build and maintain -

Money is, perhaps, only motive for government. Money there, money that, money this. Isn't it strange that energy efficiency [non-fossil fuel] technology is already within our reach years ago, but fossil based vehicles are still producing in America. And Blam! BP's oil rig spilled their 180 million crude oil into the ocean. Surprisingly, few months later - the oil rig is back to their drilling-for-oil business. Reason? There's millions of millions tonnes of crude oil yet to be drilled and profited.


I don't trust government but, hey, I'm only pulling the conspiracy theory card here. But in case, I'm designing the self-sustaining, life support house for my future children' sake.

I was still in Florida for that. The ridiculous shit that was reported on the news blew my mind (they did not have the situation handled, it was not just a little bit of crude). Globs of oil were washing up on the shore, the crabs disappeared, everyone cancelled their vacations. It was disastrous. I moved to Kentucky ffs...lol.

(November 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Well, Kichi, I am glad to know the depths of your cynicism.

You've certainly convinced me to sit on my hands and be content in knowing that nothing can change. Quite productive.

I don't see how you can come to that conclusion Moros but thanks for the sarcasm

(November 10, 2011 at 7:48 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Well, with Kichi calling climate change a fraud and people in power treating it as a polarization game, I feel that "throwing in the towel" is effectively what we're doing on an individual and collective level.

I've developed parts of global warming simulations and spent better part of a few years interning for such an organization. But, according to the Right, I've wasted my time on a 'fraud'. Guess anything I've to say must be a fraud too.

I fail to see why you are attacking me for something you think I have said. I am saying that the 'Carbon Tax and Carbon Credits/ Trading Scheme' is a fraud...get ya fkn facts straight.

Yes there is climate change...but I have been hearing that alarmist cry for the past 50 years and there is no new information now as opposed to then. I am also highly sceptical of governments as rhythm has pointed out who have been sitting on low fossil fuel alternatives but somehow "conveniently" allow BAU with the oil and coal industries.

And get ya fkn facts straight..the general populace here in Oz are striving to make a difference...have you heard that our Federal and State governments are reducing the rebates for alternative energy use and our Federal government has signed on for another 20 fkn years of Coal powered electricity ??? Geez I wonder why?

If you have spent a decade working on the climate models that will support the argument for "global warming" what you did not include in your model was the greed and avarice of politics

And yes the Climate will change no matter what humans do. As I said in post #4

post # 4 Wrote:I agree the we (as a planet) SHOULD clean up our mess! But I do not see how shifting the blame around and "Buying our way out of it" is going to be any help. And what of the Pacific Garbage Dump?? Hmmm??

It angers me that the general population gets slugged again and again and the media hype detracts from the science and issues that really need addressing...I wonder if we can make russian dolls out of our pollies??

KichigaiNeko Wrote:agree the we (as a planet) SHOULD clean up our mess! But I do not see how shifting the blame around and "Buying our way out of it" is going to be any help. And what of the Pacific Garbage Dump?? Hmmm??

So green house gases arn't mess? Even if we cannot avert dangerous climate change, why not just clean our act up, to ther best of our ability at least. And yes, that includes things like the Pacific/World garbage dump and everything else.

By taxing the big pollution companies it makes them change the way the operate or close down, there is no other alternative and there is no easy way. It also makes renuables more viable in the market place. Eventually, renuables will be cheaper than fossil fuels and then we will see a dramatic change. A change for the better if you ask me. The less pollution we put into the eco-system the better, be it gas, solid or liquid.

(November 11, 2011 at 6:16 am)ib.me.ub Wrote:

KichigaiNeko Wrote:agree the we (as a planet) SHOULD clean up our mess! But I do not see how shifting the blame around and "Buying our way out of it" is going to be any help. And what of the Pacific Garbage Dump?? Hmmm??

So green house gases arn't mess? Even if we cannot avert dangerous climate change, why not just clean our act up, to ther best of our ability at least. And yes, that includes things like the Pacific/World garbage dump and everything else.

Do any of you twats actually READ what I have posted??

(November 11, 2011 at 6:16 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: By taxing the big pollution companies it makes them change the way the operate or close down, there is no other alternative and there is no easy way. It also makes renuables more viable in the market place. Eventually, renuables will be cheaper than fossil fuels and then we will see a dramatic change. A change for the better if you ask me. The less pollution we put into the eco-system the better, be it gas, solid or liquid.

You schmuck...by

Quote:By taxing the big pollution companies it makes them change the way the operate or close down, there is no other alternative and there is no easy way.

Only shifts the cost around...the consumer pays!! NOT the polluter!! grrr

"renewable's" have BEEN in the market place for 50 years!! Hasn't made much of an impact has it??

And this STILL does not address the fkn North Pacific Garbage Dump you twat!!...grrrr so angry.going off for a glass of wine