(August 21, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Mashmont Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 11:51 am)Deesse23 Wrote: That elevates women how?
Do men need a "cocoon" as well, by women, for example?

Protecting women means treating them well.

Nope, it doesn't. Sorry, but gotta stop your equivocations right here.
Treating people well is not the same as protecting them.

(August 21, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Of course men need a cocoon by women, and the RCC promotes that as well through marriage. 

Men and women can't/shouldn't intermix without marriage?

(August 21, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Mashmont Wrote:  But I specified women to answer the post about the RCC's treatment of women.

Sure,
just like a man needs to be protected later in his life too, presumably when the wife is gone? Like with a cocoon of women? By marriage, as the RCC promotes it? How does the woman protect the man in marriage? Financially, like the husband protects the wife? Why should a woman need financial support in the first place?

(August 21, 2021 at 12:21 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Forgive me for wrapping Marxism, feminism, atheism all together.
They don't always go together.  But I find they usually do.

What does, usually, connect atheism to marxism, for example?

(August 21, 2021 at 11:09 am)Mashmont Wrote: I can speak for the Catholic Church on this.  The Vatican came out very early, 1839, in its denunciation of colonial slavery like was prevalent at that time. 

Denmark abolished slavery in 1792, being the first country in Europe to do so.
The UK abolished slave trade in the British Empire in 1807.
The UK abolished slavery altogether in 1833.
The Congress of Vienna abolished transatlantic slave trade in 1814/15. That is: 200 European states, cities and other entities, with only the Ottoman Empire missing.
How early do you think the Vatican came out exactly, considering those facts?

What is bad about sex outside of marriage, by the way?

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(August 21, 2021 at 1:02 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Biblical slavery is not remotely same as modern colonial slavery.   In biblical times, people who could not pay their bills worked for a master until their debt was paid off.  It's not a lot different from what today's left says about working at Walmart.

You haven't read your bible, have you?
You conveniently ignored the part where the bible specifically tells you where to buy your slaves, that the (non-Jewish slaves) are your property forever (you can pass them down to your children), tells you how much you can beat your slaves without getting punished, and it even tells you a loophole how to trick your fellow Jews into permanent slavery.

Oh, and indentured servitude, as your lame excuse is called, is immoral too. Arguing that your holy book is less immoral than something/someone else.....not really a good promotion, don't you think?

(August 21, 2021 at 1:02 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Yeah, fallible humans sometimes do bad things in every organization. 

Yeah, they were only doing slavery for 2 thousand years. It happens.

(August 21, 2021 at 1:02 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Biblical slavery is not remotely same as modern colonial slavery.   In biblical times, people who could not pay their bills worked for a master until their debt was paid off.  It's not a lot different from what today's left says about working at Walmart.

Since when it is allowed to beat up Walmart employees to the brink of death and sell their children?

“Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.” (Exodus 21:20–21)

And even kill them since all bets were off if the slave was from the outside tribe.

(August 21, 2021 at 1:46 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 1:02 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Yeah, fallible humans sometimes do bad things in every organization. 

Yeah, they were only doing slavery for 2 thousand years. It happens.

(August 21, 2021 at 1:02 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Biblical slavery is not remotely same as modern colonial slavery.   In biblical times, people who could not pay their bills worked for a master until their debt was paid off.  It's not a lot different from what today's left says about working at Walmart.

Since when it is allowed to beat up Walmart employees to the brink of death and sell their children?

“Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.” (Exodus 21:20–21)

And even kill them since all bets were off if the slave was from the outside tribe.

Customs were different 5000 years ago.  Notice you guys never talk about the New Testament.

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(August 21, 2021 at 1:57 pm)Mashmont Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 1:46 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Yeah, they were only doing slavery for 2 thousand years. It happens.


Since when it is allowed to beat up Walmart employees to the brink of death and sell their children?

“Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.” (Exodus 21:20–21)

And even kill them since all bets were off if the slave was from the outside tribe.

Customs were different 5000 years ago.  We don't always know the context.   Notice you guys never talk about the New Testament and the words of Jesus.

When the babble agrees with me, take it as fact.
When the babble doesn't agree with me, it wasn't meant to be taken literally.

This is why the babble is the bestest huly buuk there is!

(August 21, 2021 at 1:59 pm)no one Wrote: When the babble agrees with me, take it as fact.
When the babble doesn't agree with me, it wasn't meant to be taken literally.

This is why the babble is the bestest huly buuk there is!

Then there are those who have no standards whatsoever, so they never have to do anything.
How neat a system is that?

Quote:Customs were different 5000 years ago.  Notice you guys never talk about the New Testament.

Yes we do 

Quote:Then there are those who have no rules whatsoever, so they can never be hypocrites.

How neat a system is that?

Making excuses for rules isn't much better then not having any

(August 21, 2021 at 1:57 pm)Mashmont Wrote:  Notice you guys never talk about the New Testament and the words of Jesus.

Where Jesus says he won't change a word of the law (aka Old Testament), or when he tells slaves to love their masters, even the cruel ones?
Is the Old Testament not valid anymore btw?

Quote:Customs were different 5000 years ago

Yeah, 5000 years ago, people liked to eat shellfish and wear clothes made of mixed fabric. Yet the bible told them not to eat shellfish or wear clothes made of mixed fabric. It did not tell them not to have slaves.

(August 21, 2021 at 1:16 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Protecting women means treating them well.

Nope, it doesn't. Sorry, but gotta stop your equivocations right here.
Treating people well is not the same as protecting them.

(August 21, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Of course men need a cocoon by women, and the RCC promotes that as well through marriage. 

Men and women can't/shouldn't intermix without marriage?

(August 21, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Mashmont Wrote:  But I specified women to answer the post about the RCC's treatment of women.

Sure,
just like a man needs to be protected later in his life too, presumably when the wife is gone? Like with a cocoon of women? By marriage, as the RCC promotes it? How does the woman protect the man in marriage? Financially, like the husband protects the wife? Why should a woman need financial support in the first place?

(August 21, 2021 at 12:21 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Forgive me for wrapping Marxism, feminism, atheism all together.
They don't always go together.  But I find they usually do.

What does, usually, connect atheism to marxism, for example?

(August 21, 2021 at 11:09 am)Mashmont Wrote: I can speak for the Catholic Church on this.  The Vatican came out very early, 1839, in its denunciation of colonial slavery like was prevalent at that time. 

Denmark abolished slavery in 1792, being the first country in Europe to do so.
The UK abolished slave trade in the British Empire in 1807.
The UK abolished slavery altogether in 1833.
The Congress of Vienna abolished transatlantic slave trade in 1814/15. That is: 200 European states, cities and other entities, with only the Ottoman Empire missing.
How early do you think the Vatican came out exactly, considering those facts?

What is bad about sex outside of marriage, by the way?

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(August 21, 2021 at 1:02 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Biblical slavery is not remotely same as modern colonial slavery.   In biblical times, people who could not pay their bills worked for a master until their debt was paid off.  It's not a lot different from what today's left says about working at Walmart.

You haven't read your bible, have you?
You conveniently ignored the part where the bible specifically tells you where to buy your slaves, that the (non-Jewish slaves) are your property forever (you can pass them down to your children), tells you how much you can beat your slaves without getting punished, and it even tells you a loophole how to trick your fellow Jews into permanent slavery.

Oh, and indentured servitude, as your lame excuse is called, is immoral too. Arguing that your holy book is less immoral than something/someone else.....not really a good promotion, don't you think?

1.  In the family context,  treating people well and protecting them aren't all that different.  Silly to split hairs on that.
2.  Again, talking about family situation there, regarding the intermixing. Obviously.
3.  Why should an 80-year-old woman need financial support?  Hmm. Let's think.
4.  I guess what atheism and Marxism have in common is atheism.
5.  1839 was well ahead of the seminal Lincoln Douglas debates and nearly a quarter century before Emancipation Proclamation.  Good job Vatican!!
6.  Glad you agree biblical slavery was vastly different from modern colonial slavery. 
7.  What's bad about sex outside marriage?  Nothing, if you like broken relationships, implying a commitment that doesn't exist,  fatherless children, children who fall into crime, poor single motherhood, women carrying an oversized burden, and perpetuation of more of the same.  Hey guys,  these time-honored God rules are there for a reason.  They WORK.

That was actually Paul, who apparently speaks for Jesus.

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This guy:
When the babble agrees with me, take it as fact.
When the babble doesn't agree with me, it wasn't meant to be taken literally.

This is why the babble is the bestest huly buuk there is!

Mashmont:
Then there are those who have no standards whatsoever, so they never have to do anything.
How neat a system is that?

Politicians, right?
Scumbags through and through.