(September 4, 2021 at 5:03 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 4, 2021 at 4:55 am)Helios Wrote: Did he kill anyone with a  Chevy?



Or a bunch holding company responsible for damages caused by the weapons it makes


Nope 

If he HAD killed someone with a Chevy, is GM liable? I gotta go with OLB on this one - it’s insane to hold a manufacturer responsible for the criminal use of its products.

But back to our muttons - what possible reason could Remington have for asking for these records?

Boru

(September 4, 2021 at 6:47 am)Helios Wrote:

(September 4, 2021 at 5:03 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If he HAD killed someone with a Chevy, is GM liable? I gotta go with OLB on this one - it’s insane to hold a manufacturer responsible for the criminal use of its products.

But back to our muttons - what possible reason could Remington have for asking for these records?

Boru

I think weapons manufacturers should be held liable for a mass killing. I don't think that's insane. Especially if the people suing are the victims of the weapon they made.

(September 4, 2021 at 7:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 4, 2021 at 6:47 am)Helios Wrote: I think weapons manufacturers should be held liable for a mass killing. I don't think that's insane. Especially if the people suing are the victims of the weapon they made.

I don’t think that’s legally possible or ethically supportable. You can’t select one class of legal product out of thousands and hold the manufacturer responsible for that product’s criminal misuse.

Suppose I make a bomb out of chemical fertilizer and blow up a building, killing dozens of people and injuring hundreds more. Is DowAgro responsible for those deaths and injuries?

Why should guns be treated differently than other products?

Boru

(September 4, 2021 at 3:54 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Ok, someone help me with this:

Remington Subpoenas School Records Of Sandy Hook Victims

Quote:Lawyers for Remington Arms, the now-bankrupt gun-maker being sued by nine families of those killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., have subpoenaed the academic, attendance and disciplinary records for five slain students. Remington also requested employment files for the educators whose families are involved in the case, according to the .

Merits of the families’ lawsuit aside, what possible relevance do the school records of five dead kids have to this case? Is this a delaying tactic by Remington, or…or…what?

Boru

(September 4, 2021 at 7:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 4, 2021 at 6:47 am)Helios Wrote: I think weapons manufacturers should be held liable for a mass killing. I don't think that's insane. Especially if the people suing are the victims of the weapon they made.

I don’t think that’s legally possible or ethically supportable. You can’t select one class of legal product out of thousands and hold the manufacturer responsible for that product’s criminal misuse.

Suppose I make a bomb out of chemical fertilizer and blow up a building, killing dozens of people and injuring hundreds more. Is DowAgro responsible for those deaths and injuries?

Why should guns be treated differently than other products?

Boru

Quote:Precisely.

Is Schrade going to get sued if someone is stabbed to death with one of their knives? After all - knives and other such pointy instruments were designed and used as weapons since the beginning of mankind.

(September 4, 2021 at 7:50 am)Helios Wrote:

(September 4, 2021 at 7:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t think that’s legally possible or ethically supportable. You can’t select one class of legal product out of thousands and hold the manufacturer responsible for that product’s criminal misuse.

Suppose I make a bomb out of chemical fertilizer and blow up a building, killing dozens of people and injuring hundreds more. Is DowAgro responsible for those deaths and injuries?

Why should guns be treated differently than other products?

Boru

There is a difference between using a product as a weapon and something being manufactured AS a weapon 

The idea the guns companies different is absurd

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Quote:Precisely.

Is Schrade going to get sued if someone is stabbed to death with one of their knives? After all - knives and other such pointy instruments were designed and used as weapons since the beginning of mankind.

And did Schrade specifically design its knives for purpose of killing? Whether sharp objects have been used for killing in the past is irrelevant to that point.

Quote:There are 18,459 more images such as these in Remington’s document production,” the victim’s lawyers said in a complaint filed against Remington below a picture of a dead Minion, sliced like a steak, with the caption “filet minion.”

(September 4, 2021 at 8:03 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 4, 2021 at 7:50 am)Helios Wrote: There is a difference between using a product as a weapon and something being manufactured AS a weapon 

The idea the guns companies different is absurd

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And did Schrade specifically design its knives for purpose of killing? Whether sharp objects have been used for killing in the past is irrelevant to that point.

Ok, let’s take something specifically manufactured AS a weapon - swords. If I kill seven or eight people with a sword, is WKC liable? They manufactured a legal product and sold it to me legally. On what grounds (legal or ethical) can the families of my victims sue the company for damages?

Boru

(September 4, 2021 at 8:27 am)Helios Wrote:

(September 4, 2021 at 8:03 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Ok, let’s take something specifically manufactured AS a weapon - swords. If I kill seven or eight people with a sword, is WKC liable? They manufactured a legal product and sold it to me legally. On what grounds (legal or ethical) can the families of my victims sue the company for damages?

Boru

The fact they knowingly sold you a weapon.