(September 13, 2021 at 12:26 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(September 13, 2021 at 12:18 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: “Atheistic mentality?” What is that, exactly?

Relying on the solidity of temporal concepts, demanding empirical evidence for claims made, etc.

I think what you’re trying to describe is rational skepticism. Are you suggesting that there is some problem with wanting to hold rationally warranted beliefs?

(September 13, 2021 at 12:29 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(September 13, 2021 at 12:26 am)Ahriman Wrote: Relying on the solidity of temporal concepts, demanding empirical evidence for claims made, etc.

I think what you’re trying to describe is rational skepticism. Are you suggesting that there is some problem with wanting to hold rationally warranted beliefs?

It isn't problematic, but it is incomplete. You can't fathom the totality of intellectual inquiry unless you're willing to accept that things that cannot be proven, could possibly be true.

(September 13, 2021 at 12:35 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(September 13, 2021 at 12:29 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I think what you’re trying to describe is rational skepticism. Are you suggesting that there is some problem with wanting to hold rationally warranted beliefs?

It isn't problematic, but it is incomplete. You can't fathom the totality of intellectual inquiry unless you're willing to accept that things that cannot be proven, could possibly be true.

I accept the possibility of truths that cannot be demonstrated. What follows from that? Rationally speaking, that is.

(September 13, 2021 at 12:43 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(September 13, 2021 at 12:35 am)Ahriman Wrote: It isn't problematic, but it is incomplete. You can't fathom the totality of intellectual inquiry unless you're willing to accept that things that cannot be proven, could possibly be true.

I accept the possibility of truths that cannot be demonstrated. What’s next after that? Rationally speaking, that is.

Well I guess nothing comes after that.

(September 13, 2021 at 12:02 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(September 12, 2021 at 11:34 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why don’t you?

God and death are the only certain things

Clearly, you missed the most important philosophy lesson.

There's this notion called Solipsism which states that one can only be sure that his/her own mind exists. Nothing else.
It says "mind", not brain. You can't even be sure that your own body exists. It may be a thing that your own mind made up and then copied to "other people".

(September 13, 2021 at 12:02 am)Ahriman Wrote: , and of those, only death can be proven. In fact, death is the only provable thing. Everything else in existence is open to conjecture.

But fine, let's be pragmatic and assume that the world really exists, people exist and people live and die. It happens every day. And there are many other things that happen every day that can be proven.

(September 13, 2021 at 12:02 am)Ahriman Wrote: God is certain, only for a number of abstract reasons, none of which an atheist would understand.

Why did you go there?
Why would you think an atheist can't comprehend that people attribute the quality of "real" to a being that has nothing but abstract integrity?

The god of the philosophers is one that makes a bit of sense, even though I disagree with one of the steps that leads up to it.

Any other god is mostly made up, with some theologians attaching to their own the qualities of the god of the philosophers so as to lend their own god some credence. Some more aware of things do say that the leap from the God of the Philosophers to, say, the god of Christianity is one of faith.

Now for an extra whammy of mixing reality and non-reality:
I can understand how a fictional character can be said to exist. Darth Vader is very real, within a strict compartmentalization of reality.
This will always require some extra explanation, as we all know what fiction is and we can't really say that a fictional character is real, can we?

Solipsism is stupid and untrue. I can't prove its falseness, but it is definitely false.

(September 13, 2021 at 5:26 am)Ahriman Wrote: Solipsism is stupid and untrue. I can't prove its falseness, but it is definitely false.

I know it's a tricky concept.... but your mind is the one thing you can know exists 100% for sure. Everything else has less than 100% certainty.

(September 13, 2021 at 6:20 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 13, 2021 at 5:26 am)Ahriman Wrote: Solipsism is stupid and untrue. I can't prove its falseness, but it is definitely false.

I know it's a tricky concept.... but your mind is the one thing you can know exists 100% for sure. Everything else has less than 100% certainty.

If that was true, reality would be infinitely more manipulable than it actually is.

(September 13, 2021 at 6:31 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(September 13, 2021 at 6:20 am)pocaracas Wrote:
I know it's a tricky concept.... but your mind is the one thing you can know exists 100% for sure. Everything else has less than 100% certainty.

If that was true, reality would be infinitely more manipulable than it actually is.

Would my mind allow that?

(September 13, 2021 at 6:40 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 13, 2021 at 6:31 am)Ahriman Wrote: If that was true, reality would be infinitely more manipulable than it actually is.

Would my mind allow that?

Would it? Ask yourself.