Reading history does indeed give us a glimpse on the current state of matters; and religion is no different.

Actually; Christianity never considered "Jesus" a God or Son of God; but with the admission and documentation of the Christian church itself; this neo-belief was manufactured, created and formulated in year AD 325:

Quote:The Council of Nicaea was the first council in the history of the Christian church that was intended to address the entire body of believers. It was convened by the emperor Constantine to resolve the controversy of Arianism, a doctrine that held that Christ was not divine but was a created being.

https://www.britannica.com/event/First-C...Nicaea-325

Another more detailed source from wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

All Christians who say that "Jesus is the son of God" believe in the conclusion of the First Council of Nicaea; i.e the Nicene Creed :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

Quote:It is the defining creed of Nicene or mainstream Christianity,[1][2][3] which includes those Christian denominations that adhere to the teaching of the creed. Nicene Christianity regards Jesus as divine and co-eternal with God the Father. Various non-Nicene doctrines, beliefs, and creeds have been formed since the fourth century, all of which are considered heresies[4] by adherents of Nicene Christianity.

So now we have it documented and even referenced with historical refrences: the Christians of today -and all Christians worshiping Jesus as son of God"; are not actually "Christians": but "Nicene Christians".

That's their historical and true name; and taking the name "Christians" to be their religious label is false and a big lie: these are "Nicene Christians" not Christians.

Why do you care?

Boru

You just found that out????

Professor Bart Ehrman's book, "How Jesus became God", is amazing and describes the evolution of Jesus' divinity. It's also available on Audible.

(September 18, 2021 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Why do you care?

Boru

Jesus is a prophet in the Quran. He probably thinks proving Christians wrong makes him right.

(September 18, 2021 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Why do you care?

Boru

To expose the pattern that religious institutions carry: they always "make a council that concludes a decree"; and butcher any party not agreeing with them on the decree they concluded in the council; under charges like "heretic-kaffir".

It's the same pattern repeated over and over; from Europe to Asia to Africa, this is how religious institutions dominate and butcher rivals.

Muslims for example,  the "heretic charge" is issued by Sunni and Shiite institutions and punished by death; it is called in Arabic "الزندقة-الردة".

Medieval Nicene Christians of Europe butchered Millions across history under the same charge.

It all comes back to this same pattern; over and over.

(September 18, 2021 at 7:22 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(September 18, 2021 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Why do you care?

Boru

To expose the pattern that religious institutions carry: they always "make a council that concludes a decree"; and butcher any party not agreeing with them on the decree they concluded in the council; under charges like "heretic-kaffir".

It's the same pattern repeated over and over; from Europe to Asia to Africa, this is how religious institutions dominate and butcher rivals.

Muslims for example,  the "heretic charge" is issued by Sunni and Shiite institutions and punished by death; it is called in Arabic "الزندقة-الردة".

Medieval Nicene Christians of Europe butchered Millions across history under the same charge.

It all comes back to this same pattern; over and over.

Christian theology has been a constant work-in-progress where one Council contradicts an earlier one.

The pattern that humans suck, regardless of which segments they dissect themselves into?

(September 18, 2021 at 7:22 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(September 18, 2021 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Why do you care?

Boru

To expose the pattern that religious institutions carry: they always "make a council that concludes a decree"; and butcher any party not agreeing with them on the decree they concluded in the council; under charges like "heretic-kaffir".

It's the same pattern repeated over and over; from Europe to Asia to Africa, this is how religious institutions dominate and butcher rivals.

Muslims for example,  the "heretic charge" is issued by Sunni and Shiite institutions and punished by death; it is called in Arabic "الزندقة-الردة".

Medieval Nicene Christians of Europe butchered Millions across history under the same charge.

It all comes back to this same pattern; over and over.

But you aren’t ‘exposing’ anything. The Council of Nicaea is one of those ‘everybody knows’ things.

And it’s not really news that heretics get butchered - this is a feature of religions, not a bug. It’s also more than a little disingenuous of you to suddenly complain about this feature, since you’ve repeatedly gloried in the deaths of non-Muslims, you self-righteous, sanctimonious hypocrite.

Boru

(September 18, 2021 at 8:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 18, 2021 at 7:22 am)WinterHold Wrote: To expose the pattern that religious institutions carry: they always "make a council that concludes a decree"; and butcher any party not agreeing with them on the decree they concluded in the council; under charges like "heretic-kaffir".

It's the same pattern repeated over and over; from Europe to Asia to Africa, this is how religious institutions dominate and butcher rivals.

Muslims for example,  the "heretic charge" is issued by Sunni and Shiite institutions and punished by death; it is called in Arabic "الزندقة-الردة".

Medieval Nicene Christians of Europe butchered Millions across history under the same charge.

It all comes back to this same pattern; over and over.

But you aren’t ‘exposing’ anything. The Council of Nicaea is one of those ‘everybody knows’ things.

And it’s not really news that heretics get butchered - this is a feature of religions, not a bug. It’s also more than a little disingenuous of you to suddenly complain about this feature, since you’ve repeatedly gloried in the deaths of non-Muslims, you self-righteous, sanctimonious hypocrite.

Boru

If that council was so "well known and recognized" to be the source of the decree taken by the church to recognize "Jesus" as a heavenly son of God, then why isn't the difference stated clearly between "Nicene Christians" and between "normal Christians"?

According to the standards we are all familiar with; "Nicene Christianity" is a cult adopted by Rome that crushed most -if not all- normal Christians and dominated through the might of the Roman empire. 

Just like Shiite Muslims are a cult, Sunni Muslims are a cult. Each had an empire backing it up once.

I never heard about that council; that council and the decree resulting from it -which the Roman Church adopts- is hidden and concealed behind walls of text and countless words from the Roman Christian institution.