We can always count on biker to be insanely suspicious of everything about the government except the boys in blue with their boots on the back of our necks. That parts legit, apparently.

(September 27, 2021 at 10:09 am)Spongebob Wrote:

(September 27, 2021 at 10:01 am)Brian37 Wrote: Yea, you don't see missed field goals treated like kickoffs run for touchdowns that much. The Miami/Raiders game was a nail bitter. I was rooting for Miami. There were a lot of amazingly freaky play's and games this weekend. Unfortunately for me Washington sucked huge donkey balls.

Hey, that could be a good entry into the team's new name!

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(September 27, 2021 at 9:46 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Your words - I liken it to parental abuse...

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Scroll up to post #763 and read what you wrote.

(September 27, 2021 at 10:35 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(September 27, 2021 at 10:09 am)Spongebob Wrote: Hey, that could be a good entry into the team's new name!

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Scroll up to post #763 and read what you wrote.

I posted :
There are plenty of people who are aware of this and it is a very serious problem and programs exist to address it.  Just because it doesn't make the news doesn't mean no one cares about it.


However, there's no reason to obfuscate the two issues.  The police are supposed to be trusted protectors of the public (it say so right on their vehicle).  Too often they not only fail to protect the public but are the public's worst enemy.  And there are numerous recorded cases of this; it's by no means an anomaly.  There are even retired police officers who have corroborated it.  People don't want to crucify good police officers; they want to get rid of the corrupt ones.

I liken the issue to parental abuse.  If a child is abused by someone outside the family, that's really bad.  But if the father or mother abuses their own children, the reaction most people have is that is far worse because the parents are supposed to be the children's protectors.

So what point are you trying to make?

Perhaps this case might have been a better example for Spongebob’s argument:



Unlike Andrea Yates, there was no underlying mental illness with Louise Porton, no reason she couldn’t have just have put the kids into someone else’s care.

I don't know, maybe arewethereyet was trying to make some point about abuse vs murder, but I failed to get it. I probably shouldn't have made the analogy because it's distracted from the primary point of my post, that police are meant to be the protectors of the public. They are expected to apprehend suspected criminals, not innocent people. And they are not expected or intended to dole out final justice in any case. That's the job of the courts. It's understood that police should be allowed to protect themselves from violent criminals, but in so many cases they overreact and do harm to unarmed people that it is simply unacceptable. I don't know what the acceptable rate of unintended harm would be, but my intuition tells me that right now the rate is too high. I just don't understand anyone who can ignore this and accept the status quo as OK.

Yes, 'Serve and Protect' is on some law enforcement vehicles.

Comparing the role of the police to the role of parents is not a fair equivalent. One is a job that a person is paid to do. The idea that the police are of higher standards that non-police is wishful thinking at best.

A child being abused by someone outside the family is no better or worse than being abused by a parent...unless you take into account the sheer number of hours, days, months, years, a child is subject to whatever a parent decides to dish out. And parenting isn't a job...no one has to apply, they don't have to pass an interview, they don't have to take courses...it's something that happens and not necessarily to people who ought to be acting as parents.

Then you threw in Andrea Yates who wasn't known to be an abusive parent. She was diagnosed with severe postpartum depression and went into a psychotic break that ended with her killing her children. She was out of her mind.

Members of law enforcement and parents aren't the same thing...not even close to the same thing.

Yes, I think you went off on a 37 tangent that completely failed to prove what was apparently your point that the public expects the police to be ultimate protectors of law-abiding citizens...who happen to pay their salary.

(September 27, 2021 at 10:28 am)Spongebob Wrote:

(September 27, 2021 at 10:25 am)Brian37 Wrote: "Washington Donkey Balls"? Ha ha ha, meh, I like our current name. 

Actually I do, too.  It would be unique and cool to just be "football team".

Quote:Separate story, wish I had a link, I was listening about this on TV. Some haunted house worker used a real Bowie Knife, dressed up as some scary monster, jumped out at a kid, and accidently cut the kid's toe. Needless to say he was arrested, and fired. WHAT THE FUCK WAS HE THINKING? 

The kid is fine, but still. Had that idiot worker never heard of rubber knives for a prop?

WTF!

As far as Washington's current name, and I hope we keep it. I love it. It is like saying "The Ohio State" without adding "Buckeyes", or even "The Artist Formally Known As Prince." My second favorite team growing up were the Steelers, they were the only team with an emblem on only one side of the helmet. Because of the Steeler's helmet, any media/poster that puts all 32 teams on that media, the face masks have to face to the right in side profile.

(September 27, 2021 at 11:48 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Yes, 'Serve and Protect' is on some law enforcement vehicles.

Comparing the role of the police to the role of parents is not a fair equivalent.  One is a job that a person is paid to do.  The idea that the police are of higher standards that non-police is wishful thinking at best.

Well, I don't agree that this is a bad analogy.  Being a cop is more than just a job.  Cops take oaths to serve and protect and uphold the law.  That makes it more than just a job.  It's also a service to the community.  And parenting is not just about popping out babies.  Both roles are charged with the safety and protection of people, so I maintain that the analogy is just fine though not perfect.  Few analogies are.

Quote:A child being abused by someone outside the family is no better or worse than being abused by a parent...unless you take into account the sheer number of hours, days, months, years, a child is subject to whatever a parent decides to dish out.  And parenting isn't a job...no one has to apply, they don't have to pass an interview, they don't have to take courses...it's something that happens and not necessarily to people who ought to be acting as parents.  

I disagree completely.  To the child, abuse is horrible no matter who is doling it out.  But when it is a parent, it's more than just physical because a child trusts and loves parents.  They are supposed to be their protectors.  It can be profoundly damaging to a child, more so than an outsider.  I don't see how this is controversial.  Child abuse is horrible, but it's even more horrible when a parent is guilty of it.  You disagree?

Quote:Then you threw in Andrea Yates who wasn't known to be an abusive parent.  She was diagnosed with severe postpartum depression and went into a psychotic break that ended with her killing her children.  She was out of her mind.  

To be fair, I didn't say anything about Yates; that was you.  I referenced a parent drowning their children (go back and read if you don't believe me).  It was meant to be a generic reference.  And I stand by this analogy.  When a child is murdered by someone outside the family, its a tragedy for sure, but in my experience the reaction people have to hearing that a parent has killed their child (for whatever reason) is with far more horror.  I don't understand the disagreement.

Quote:Members of law enforcement and parents aren't the same thing...not even close to the same thing.  

Of course I know they aren't the same thing and wasn't not attempting to say they are.  But analogies are used all the time in conversation and it's expected that people understand that no analogy is perfect.  Basically it appears that you just disagree with my analogy.  So noted.  Moving on....

Quote:Yes, I think you went off on a 37 tangent that completely failed to prove what was apparently your point that the public expects the police to be ultimate protectors of law-abiding citizens...who happen to pay their salary.

To be fair, I didn't go on a tangent.  I merely used a simple analogy that I maintain is fine.  I'm sorry if this confused you or led to the wrong conclusion, but then again, I would have to ask, are you not accustomed to people using analogies to explain things?  And I also don't agree with your wording that police are the "ultimate protectors" of law abiding citizens.  These are not my words and I wouldn't describe them that way.  It is part of their duty as officers of the law, but this sound exaggerated to me.

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Also, of all the things mentioned on that post, why fixate on the one analogy?

BERLIN, Sept 21 (Reuters) - German politicians expressed shock on Tuesday over the killing of a 20-year old petrol station worker after an argument about a face mask and said that coronavirus deniers who are willing to use violence will not be tolerated.

The killing on Saturday evening in the western town of Idar-Oberstein has hit the national headlines as it is one of the only such cases linked to COVID-19 restrictions.

Prosecutors have said that the petrol station cashier had asked a 49-year old man who wanted to buy beer to comply with the rules and put on a mask.

The customer refused and left but returned later wearing a mask which he pulled down when he approached the cashier who again referred to the rules.

"Then the perpetrator pulled a revolver and shot the cashier in the head from the front. The victim fell to the floor and was immediately dead," prosecutor Kai Fuhrmann told reporters.

The suspect later gave himself up at a police station, saying the coronavirus measures were causing him stress, said Furhmann.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ger...021-09-21/

The IRA preys on people feeling more in control with guns in their hands.