(September 28, 2021 at 1:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(September 27, 2021 at 6:20 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Does anyone else feel like, old music gets preserved well beyond its expiration date? And old bands have been musically irrelevant for a long time, as in, they don't put out good music anymore? And people are trying to keep the bands' legacies alive in an inappropriate manner, to the point that it actually stifles up and coming creativity? Don't get me wrong, there are some old bands that I really love, such as Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Metallica. I just feel like people shouldn't gush over old bands and keep the music scene trapped in the past, always trying to live up to old standards. There are newer artists I listen to, such as Carly Rae Jepsen, Billie Eilish, and Grimes, who really take modern music to a really great place, and it would be really cool if more modern artists did novel stuff with their music. People shouldn't gatekeep old bands, they're old news. Let's bring in the new.

Don't look now, but ABBA has a new album coming out. But to be somewhat fair, also being a Pat Benatar fan, she got old, to me, after her "Wide Awake in Dreamland" album.

And to be fair to humanity, I think most of sane people can appreciate Beethoven's 5th, but would not today want him to run a record company today. There was a disco version of Beethoven's 5th put out in the 70s. 

I think while it is right to innovate new music, I also think it is important to remember history, and the artists of old that make an impact always influence the new. 

Being an Abba fan, I only look forward to the nostalgia no matter how brief. But in my life, my musical tastes, have always grown and moved. If someone can listen to ABBA one song, then Metallica the next, then Snoop Dog the next, that does not say to me someone is stuck in a rut.

That is a very good point. I would also like to add music also repeats itself in slightly new forms. "Whiskey in the Jar" was an old Scottish folk tune (17th Century) that, when I first heard it, was sung by Roger Whittaker (from South Africa), who was popular in the 80s, redone by Metallica in a slightly slowed down beat in 2009; another good example is J. S. Bach's Minuet in G Major becoming a popular hit in 1965 when lyrics were added to the tune by two American songwriters and recorded by the Motown all girl group The Toys as "Lover's Concerto." Old music can be new again.

(September 28, 2021 at 2:54 pm)tackattack Wrote:

(September 28, 2021 at 1:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Don't look now, but ABBA has a new album coming out. But to be somewhat fair, also being a Pat Benatar fan, she got old, to me, after her "Wide Awake in Dreamland" album.

And to be fair to humanity, I think most of sane people can appreciate Beethoven's 5th, but would not today want him to run a record company today. There was a disco version of Beethoven's 5th put out in the 70s. 

I think while it is right to innovate new music, I also think it is important to remember history, and the artists of old that make an impact always influence the new. 

Being an Abba fan, I only look forward to the nostalgia no matter how brief. But in my life, my musical tastes, have always grown and moved. If someone can listen to ABBA one song, then Metallica the next, then Snoop Dog the next, that does not say to me someone is stuck in a rut.

Problem is that's all that music is nowadays, rehashing the old music in new ,  more interesting ways. To OLB's point, I feel it's a feature of the modern generation and their decreasing attention span to not take the time necessary for originality, in a lot of cases.

Back in college, and I have to admit, I do forget what it was called in taking theatre classes, not acting classes, but history of theatre, but there really is a limit on motifs in all art, be it acting, or tv or music. You can mix and create new things, but the underlying motifs, the core ideas don't really change. 

But there is some list of 7 or so things, that all creation of conflict/controversy stem from.

Love, Money, Accomplishment, Greed, Jealousy, Survival.  Things like that. I can't remember the full list, but while music songs and movie plots can be complex for sure, they still boil down to humans being humans. 

Even when when I was a ardent Pat Benatar fan, I did not know that that her version of "Helter Skelter" was not an original. I also did not know that her cover of "I need a Lover" was originally done by John Cougar Mellencamp.

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Just found this. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots

(September 28, 2021 at 6:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: My taste is music is pretty varied and it covers several decades...from stuff my parents were listening to in the 60s to some of the newer stuff with what my kids liked along the way.

I don't understand the concept of giving up on an era of music or a musician/band just because of the age of the tune.

I'm sure there are people who have books they have read many times over and even those written years before.  Good is good.  Some things are timeless and some don't hold up quite so well and feel dated.  

We old people aren't necessarily looking to feel young...we have a larger discography to choose from than the younger people do.  And keep in mind that musicians draw influences from those who went before.

Mine covers several centuries. Can’t find myself getting into music older than Hildegard con Bingen, though.

(September 28, 2021 at 6:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(September 28, 2021 at 6:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: My taste is music is pretty varied and it covers several decades...from stuff my parents were listening to in the 60s to some of the newer stuff with what my kids liked along the way.

I don't understand the concept of giving up on an era of music or a musician/band just because of the age of the tune.

I'm sure there are people who have books they have read many times over and even those written years before.  Good is good.  Some things are timeless and some don't hold up quite so well and feel dated.  

We old people aren't necessarily looking to feel young...we have a larger discography to choose from than the younger people do.  And keep in mind that musicians draw influences from those who went before.

Mine covers several centuries. Can’t find myself getting into music older than Hildegard con Bingen, though.

Wait, so are you saying there is a chance you love ABBA? They are older than the Big Bang. <---- See what I did there?

(September 28, 2021 at 6:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(September 28, 2021 at 6:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: My taste is music is pretty varied and it covers several decades...from stuff my parents were listening to in the 60s to some of the newer stuff with what my kids liked along the way.

I don't understand the concept of giving up on an era of music or a musician/band just because of the age of the tune.

I'm sure there are people who have books they have read many times over and even those written years before.  Good is good.  Some things are timeless and some don't hold up quite so well and feel dated.  

We old people aren't necessarily looking to feel young...we have a larger discography to choose from than the younger people do.  And keep in mind that musicians draw influences from those who went before.

Mine covers several centuries. Can’t find myself getting into music older than Hildegard con Bingen, though.

I was really never exposed to much in the way of classical music. I think if I would have been when I was young, it might have become something I enjoy and seek out. The 'old' music I heard was the music of the Catholic church...nothing like a funeral dirge to turn a kid on to music...that's what we were taught in 6th grade so we could sing funeral masses. UGH

@arewethereyet

I love Catholic music so much. The choir and organ sound really good, and Gregorian chants are amazing.

As far as music is concerned, I don't really venture past the Divas.

Cher, Madonna, Celine Dion.

The most modern I've ventured is Britney Spears, Kelly Clarkson, Lady Gaga.

(September 28, 2021 at 6:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: ...And keep in mind that musicians draw influences from those who went before.

Having a broad-based understanding of more than one musical era, style, instrument is what distinguishes the really good artists from the flavour-of-the-week ones.  If you stay in your little sandbox and just play {K-pop, country, folk...} you have a much smaller pool of ideas to draw from.  It's like what they say about writers:  If you want to write well, you have to read.  Similarly, you have to listen to a broad spectrum of music to find your own distinctive voice and sound original rather than repackaged.

I'm perfectly comfortable in my little musical world, thank you very much.

(September 28, 2021 at 6:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Mine covers several centuries. Can’t find myself getting into music older than Hildegard con Bingen, though.

I think John Dowland is the oldest music that I'm familiar with. Otherwise, I'm all over the board, everything from Bach to Philip Glass in the classical realm (with a major for Orff's Carmina Burana and Beethoven's 9th). Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman (of course!),The Beatles and the Stones, '70s prog-rock like Yes and Genesis, '80s New Age, AFI, Blind Guardian, Foo Fighters... Even have one country-rock tune in my favourites, "My Give a Damn's Busted" by Jo Dee Messina.