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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 8:29 am
(October 5, 2021 at 1:55 am)Ghetto Sheldon Wrote: The mountains of evidence behind my assertions stand & can be fact checked regardless of a lay person's bickering.
Then take us to the mountain.
But at this time your mountain appears to be a mountain of belief only which places you on the same level as a theist. That makes all your preaching up to this point irrelevant, except that it strokes you ego.
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 9:44 am
(October 5, 2021 at 1:51 am)Ghetto Sheldon Wrote: A pitch to do science & generate the evidence we need to offer our finest is not only a marketing failure, it's a narc injury resulting in narc rage.
Since the only thing all atheists have in common is one opinion on one topic, we don't have much basis on which to organize, police who represents us, or conduct consistent marketing. If it was up to me, you'd have to pass a test before you could call yourself an atheist, but I'm not the pope of atheism and neither is anyone else.
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 10:37 am
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(October 5, 2021 at 1:47 am)Ghetto Sheldon Wrote: (October 5, 2021 at 1:45 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They're not, and the fact that most parents charged with neglect in the us will..by sheer force of demographics, identify as christian ought to tell you that you're on the wrong track here. Some states are more permissive than others, but at this point you're swirling the drain of a right to refuse care -and- insisting that god beliefs and religion are delusional. That'll be double the work, and none of it can be accomplished here.
As long as you're not focusing on line 3 & 4 of my OP, you're dodging.
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 11:10 am
I confess I didn't read much of this thread. Is the general gist that theists are delusional and irrational and that atheists should study and research the best logical rebuttals to counter this pervasive petulance?
If that's spot on the money, and from the last few pages it seems to be, Why you you want to hone rational and logical arguments against theists which are assumed to be completely irrational and delusional? Fighting irrational beliefs with the purist of logical discourse seems like ... to use a phrase... casting pearls to swine?
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 11:11 am
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You got the first part right, but not the second. Theists are delusional, and logical argumentation isn't the tool to deal with that. That requires therapy and legal constructs designed to constrain and punish the delusional.
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 11:37 am
Lots of people are delusional GN, not just theists. Clinically though I would say it's rare. I'm all for locking up delusional people, if it can be quantified and equally applied to the populous. 
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 11:50 am
(October 5, 2021 at 11:37 am)tackattack Wrote: Lots of people are delusional GN, not just theists. Clinically though I would say it's rare. I'm all for locking up delusional people, if it can be quantified and equally applied to the populous.
There’s not enough prisons and hospitals to lock up all the delusional people. I know this because my puca told me so.
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 12:50 pm
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Sheldon, nice to finally meet you. Hope life is treating you well.
Even though I'm not a religious person, I do support a person's right to believe in the religion of their own choosing.
As irrational as those beliefs may be, I don't want to take away that personal freedom that allows people their own individual thought process. I don't want to be some kind of thought police.
This is why it's good to have a conversation with people to question why they believe some of the things they believe and hopefully get them to justify that belief.
When you can communicate with people, it's good for everyone involved.
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 1:05 pm
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(October 5, 2021 at 11:37 am)tackattack Wrote: Lots of people are delusional GN, not just theists. Clinically though I would say it's rare. I'm all for locking up delusional people, if it can be quantified and equally applied to the populous.
Sheldon appears to believe that theism and religiosity are interchangeable with delusion. I was merely correcting a misunderstanding you had with his position. Sure, theists..delusional, yada yada yada - but logic isn't the tool for the job and logical arguments...here....somehow show that atheists are "corrupt"...whatever the fuck that means.
He's a nut...probably ought to be some code we can lock him up for treatment with.
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RE: The atrocities of religiosity warrant our finest. Logic is not it
October 5, 2021 at 1:14 pm
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(October 5, 2021 at 11:37 am)tackattack Wrote: Lots of people are delusional GN, not just theists. Clinically though I would say it's rare. I'm all for locking up delusional people, if it can be quantified and equally applied to the populous.
Agree with that lot's of people are delusional. Disagree with locking them up unless the delusion has a significant risk for harm to self or others.
(October 5, 2021 at 1:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sheldon appears to believe that theism and religiosity are interchangeable with delusion. I was merely correcting a misunderstanding you had with his position. Sure, theists..delusional, yada yada yada - but logic isn't the tool for the job and logical arguments...here....somehow show that atheists are "corrupt"...whatever the fuck that means.
He's a nut...probably ought to be some code we can lock him up for treatment with.
You're just a lei person and not competent to judge Ghetto. 
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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