(October 20, 2021 at 12:58 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: I'd think there'd be at least some mention of it in the many slave narratives to have been written, survived to the present day, and then digitised in a conveniently searchable database. And there are hundreds, if not over a thousand in that database alone. If you can find a reference among them that talks about it, and makes explicit that when they say "breaking," they mean anal rape, then and only then may you bring it up again.

In the meantime, Jez, you can do something that's less time-consuming than that little snipe hunt and just:

Go through those same slave narratives and show where it speaks about female slaves being raped...

Are you going to deny THAT happened?

(October 19, 2021 at 10:57 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 19, 2021 at 10:03 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: If you're going to insist that everything I say is a lie without providing any evidence, What's the point?

Once again, show where I lied...

I never said the word “lie.”  Saying things that don’t happen to be true is not necessarily the same as lying, but this is just a pathetically obvious distraction tactic on your part. What happened? Did you get cold feet? I’ll give you one more chance to answer my question and then I’m done wasting my time on you.

So are we going to try and argue semantics now? Saying someone isn't being truthful IS THE EXACT SAME THING as saying they are lying, wth? When you blatantly misrepresent my position It is absolutely reasonable to ask you to present evidence to back up your statement.

Either present the evidence of me "not being truthful" or admit you were wrong, it's that simple.

I'll proceed once you do either of the two.

If you continue to avoid doing so, then I guess your question wasn't all that important.

I can name at least three slave narratives off the top of my head that mention female slaves being raped:

1) 12 Years a Slave by Solomon Northrup, which brings up how Patsey is raped by Epps, and whipped when she refuses:

Quote: Her back bore the scars of a thousand stripes; not because she was backward in her work, nor because she was of an unmindful and rebellious spirit, but because it had fallen to her lot to be the slave of a licentious master and a jealous mistress. She shrank before the lustful eye of the one, and was in danger even of her life at the hands of the other, and between the two, she was indeed accursed

2) Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl by Harriet Jacobs. Here's a salient section
3) Behind the Scenes: Or, Thirty Years a Slave and Four Years in the White House by Elizabeth Keckley.

Quote:“I was regarded as fair-looking for one of my race, and for four years a white man – I spare the world his name – had base designs upon me. I do not care to dwell upon this subject, for it is one that is fraught with pain. Suffice it to say, that he persecuted me for four years, and I – I – became a mother. The child of which he was the father was the only child that I ever brought into the world.”

This is the last time I will answer one of your random attempts at changing the subject until you answer the fucking question LadyForCamus posed the other day: "Why do you think the LGBTQ community and their advocates advocate for these things in the first place? What do you suppose their motives are?" Are you a coward, Jez? Do I need to keep shitposting "Answer the fucking question" memes in order for you to actually answer it? I'm game for that.

When someone is mistaken about something, it's inaccurate to say that they lie. But it's also inaccurate to call their words the truth.

She never said you were lying dude. It's entirely possible to say something that's not true and not be lying. Lying requires a conscious intention and never accused you of that.

(October 20, 2021 at 3:16 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: I can name at least three slave narratives off the top of my head that mention female slaves being raped:

1) 12 Years a Slave by Solomon Northrup, which brings up how Patsey is raped by Epps, and whipped when she refuses:

Quote: Her back bore the scars of a thousand stripes; not because she was backward in her work, nor because she was of an unmindful and rebellious spirit, but because it had fallen to her lot to be the slave of a licentious master and a jealous mistress. She shrank before the lustful eye of the one, and was in danger even of her life at the hands of the other, and between the two, she was indeed accursed

2) Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl by Harriet Jacobs. Here's a salient section
3) Behind the Scenes: Or, Thirty Years a Slave and Four Years in the White House by Elizabeth Keckley.

Quote:“I was regarded as fair-looking for one of my race, and for four years a white man – I spare the world his name – had base designs upon me. I do not care to dwell upon this subject, for it is one that is fraught with pain. Suffice it to say, that he persecuted me for four years, and I – I – became a mother. The child of which he was the father was the only child that I ever brought into the world.”

This is the last time I will answer one of your random attempts at changing the subject until you answer the fucking question LadyForCamus posed the other day: "Why do you think the LGBTQ community and their advocates advocate for these things in the first place? What do you suppose their motives are?" Are you a coward, Jez? Do I need to keep shitposting "Answer the fucking question" memes in order for you to actually answer it? I'm game for that.

I didn't change the subject, YOU did when you claimed that male slaves being raped was a lie, so now we have to address it.
https://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/6841

Quote:Thomas Thistlewood, an eighteenth-century Jamaican planter, noted in his diary two incidents of homosexual assault. For one of them he recorded a report of a Mr. Watt committing sodomy with his negroe waiting boy. In slavery, there are many accounts of rape and sexual abuse by slaveholders towards their slaves. Many slaves tried to fight back and resist the sexual abuse. However, that didn’t always result in a good outcome. While it is known that many enslaved women were sexually abused, it is important to highlight that male slaves were also sexually abused by slaveholders.

And Huggy continues to flail around 

(October 20, 2021 at 3:57 am)Helios Wrote: And Huggy continues to flail around 

I'm not at home dummy, won't be able to reply to LFC till I get there. It will most likely be a long post with plenty of references.

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(October 20, 2021 at 3:18 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: When someone is mistaken about something, it's inaccurate to say that they lie. But it's also inaccurate to call their words the truth.

While I don't believe It was LFC intent to imply I was simply "mistaken" seeing how she referred to me being homophobic/transphobic, but very well, where was I mistaken LFC?
People seem to want to say what ever they want, or accuse people of whatever they want on these forums with zero accountability.

Quote:I'm not at home dummy, won't be able to reply to LFC till I get there. It will most likely be a long post with plenty of references.

I wasn't even talking about LFC moron 

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Quote:While I don't believe It was LFC intent to imply I was simply "mistaken" seeing how she referred to me being homophobic/transphobic, but very well, where was I mistaken LFC?

You can be homophobic transphobic and not be lying, And repeating the same tactic again doesn't help you