Is woke and cancel culture wrong?  Is it a question of scope?  What is wrong with them?  Shouldn't we, society, respond in some way to those who break society's rules?

Because of social media, anything that happens new gets amplified, but that isn't the whole story.  I believe we, society, have actually been practicing woke and cancel culture for ages.  It just hasn't been called that before.  When someone in your circle of friends does something unforgivable, what often happens?  I'm not talking about getting drunk and making an ass of himself at a party; that's great stuff to use to embarrass him forever.  I'm talking about when a married man in his 50's has sex with his babysitter.  He isn't punished by laws because there's no evidence or no one is willing to prosecute, but everyone knows it happened.  He likely gets ostracized in some way.  The scenarios are endless, but I think you all know what I'm talking about.  When people do horrible things, society often punishes them even when the legal system won't.  What is that but cancel culture?  I've seen it myself dozens of times.  Small towns thrive on such gossip and on occasion it can cause major disruptions in such small societies.  People get divorced, lose their job, have to leave town...etc.  That is cancel culture.  Sometimes it's on an even smaller scale.  If a guy has sex with another guy's girlfriend, he can be cast out of the group and loses social status.  That's cancel culture.  So why are we having so much difficulty with the same phenomenon when it happen on a larger scale?

Yes, it is absolutely wrong. End of story. If you don't think so, how about we cancel you and see how you like it?

(January 20, 2022 at 10:14 am)Spongebob Wrote: Is woke and cancel culture wrong?  Is it a question of scope?  What is wrong with them?  Shouldn't we, society, respond in some way to those who break society's rules?

Because of social media, anything that happens new gets amplified, but that isn't the whole story.  I believe we, society, have actually been practicing woke and cancel culture for ages.  It just hasn't been called that before.  When someone in your circle of friends does something unforgivable, what often happens?  I'm not talking about getting drunk and making an ass of himself at a party; that's great stuff to use to embarrass him forever.  I'm talking about when a married man in his 50's has sex with his babysitter.  He isn't punished by laws because there's no evidence or no one is willing to prosecute, but everyone knows it happened.  He likely gets ostracized in some way.  The scenarios are endless, but I think you all know what I'm talking about.  When people do horrible things, society often punishes them even when the legal system won't.  What is that but cancel culture?  I've seen it myself dozens of times.  Small towns thrive on such gossip and on occasion it can cause major disruptions in such small societies.  People get divorced, lose their job, have to leave town...etc.  That is cancel culture.  Sometimes it's on an even smaller scale.  If a guy has sex with another guy's girlfriend, he can be cast out of the group and loses social status.  That's cancel culture.  So why are we having so much difficulty with the same phenomenon when it happen on a larger scale?

"Woke" is the ignorant argument of those who say, " I am not the bully, why are you blaming me?"

I will defend the Simpsons and South Park because they are cartoons promoting bigotry, but simply poking fun at everyone equally, like you would your personal friends. 

But when these morons whom use the word "Woke" to defend keeping Confederate Statues in positions of honor, they don't understand history. Same can be said with the term "Cancel Culture". It is not "Cancel Culture" to remove Confederate Statues. Our dark history of oppression is part of our history.

If any side of this argument is trying to avoid history it would be the far right. There are states trying to enact laws to prevent the teaching of the history of treatment of blacks and natives and others. The bullshit argument is that "I wasn't alive then, why are you trying to make me feel guilty because I am white?"  It isn't about making anyone feel guilty. It is simply a study of history to insure future generations don't repeat the same behaviors.

The morons who don't understand this, are like the kid when the parent says, "Don't touch the hot stove" and the kid responds, " I didn't turn on the stove.

Yeah, most of that didn't make any sense.  I'm not really concerned with the terms so much as the cultural responses to bad behavior by seemingly untouchable people.  Cosby appears to have been "cancelled".  As far as I'm concerned, that's a good thing.  I don't really care if his old shows are still available because those shows don't represent Cosby as a person, but I certainly wouldn't support any of his future work and don't consider him to be a valuable member of society.  The same can certainly be said of Harvey Weinstein.

But there are many who criticize this aspect of society in rather odd ways.  They sometime claim that only one element of a person's character is being criticized while that person is had great character traits in other aspects.  Well, perhaps, but I suppose there's a calculus to determine how much money one has to donate to the starving children in Africa to overcome drugging and raping multiple women.

Republicans almost unanimously rile against CC and Woke and our dirty little worm Airhead will likely be doing so shortly on this thread.  But wait!  Their patron saint and god almighty, Trump himself, is profoundly guilty of doing the same thing to multiple people.  Let's review a list, shall we?  Here are people Trump has called for cancellation:

Hillary Clinton, of course
Black journalist Touré
Chris Matthews
Glenfiddich whiskey
Bill Maher
HBO because of Bill Maher
Univision
Fox News journalist Rich Lowry

The list is extremely long.  This is just a sampling.  My point here is that even many of those who criticize cancel culture, believe in cancel culture themselves.  In Trump's case he just wants anyone who crosses him to be cancelled.  Trump doesn't give a whit about bad people who do bad things to innocent people because he is one of bad guys.  I'm curious what other republicans are hypocrites about this.

At work.

When I hear the terms it's generally one side of thought 'Calling out' the other.

A century on and the Fascists and the Socialists are eager for each other's throats again.

They're just wearing different coats this time around.

(January 20, 2022 at 11:15 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

 When I hear the terms it's generally one side of thought 'Calling out' the other.

A century on and the Fascists and the Socialists are eager for each other's throats again.

They're just wearing different coats this time around.

 

So is it fascism or socialism to publicly call O. J. Simpson a murder and refuse to support him financially?

People who complain about "Wokeness" are all shitty people who don't want to be shit on for their shitty ideas. You'll notice people attack 'wokeness' because they are small minded neanderthals who can't handle anything different than them. This particularly includes having different beliefs. It's almost ironic, given how they want their beliefs to be respected and bitch about 'cancel culture' but then try to cancel people and refuse to respect any beliefs but their own.

(January 20, 2022 at 11:19 am)Divinity Wrote: People who complain about "Wokeness" are all shitty people who don't want to be shit on for their shitty ideas.  You'll notice people attack 'wokeness' because they are small minded neanderthals who can't handle anything different than them. This particularly includes having different beliefs. It's almost ironic, given how they want their beliefs to be respected and bitch about 'cancel culture' but then try to cancel people and refuse to respect any beliefs but their own.

Extremely good points.  

At work.

(January 20, 2022 at 11:18 am)Spongebob Wrote:

(January 20, 2022 at 11:15 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  When I hear the terms it's generally one side of thought 'Calling out' the other.

A century on and the Fascists and the Socialists are eager for each other's throats again.

They're just wearing different coats this time around.

 

So is it fascism or socialism to publicly call O. J. Simpson a murder and refuse to support him financially?

Neither?

Perchance it's a good 'Social norm' to question the behaviour of the courts and legal system when it comes to who, how and why people are/aren't convicted and aquitted?

Sorry, I'm not that 'Up' on foreign affairs like disgraced American sports 'Stars'.

(January 20, 2022 at 11:19 am)Divinity Wrote: People who complain about "Wokeness" are all shitty people who don't want to be shit on for their shitty ideas.  You'll notice people attack 'wokeness' because they are small minded neanderthals who can't handle anything different than them. This particularly includes having different beliefs. It's almost ironic, given how they want their beliefs to be respected and bitch about 'cancel culture' but then try to cancel people and refuse to respect any beliefs but their own.

I'm not interested in canceling anyone. But I will call out intellectually backwards opinions when I see them.