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Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
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 (November 23, 2011 at 12:15 am)IATIA Wrote:(November 22, 2011 at 10:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: I know what I want regardless of any knew info I'm sure GC's wet dream is to convert one of us.
That will never hold up in court...
 (November 23, 2011 at 12:45 am)Phaedra Wrote:(November 23, 2011 at 12:15 am)IATIA Wrote:(November 22, 2011 at 10:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: I know what I want regardless of any knew info Does he get '72 virgins' if he does? Maybe I can make a deal with him. 
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy (November 23, 2011 at 1:10 am)IATIA Wrote: Does he get '72 virgins' if he does? Maybe I can make a deal with him. I want in as well. Although I never got the virgin thing. I don't want a clueless "I'm just gonna lay here" bedfellow...I want her experienced and pervy.
That will never hold up in court...
The great thing about this, GC, is you've been forced to admit that you don't care about evidence. You say there is no evidence to expose me to, and that new information would not affect your position. You have just eliminated yourself from any discussions about God's existence, because there's nothing that could make you lose your faith. Unfalsifiable position, what's the point in debating with you? You've actually told us flat out that it will never happen, making it pointless to discuss anything with you.
To add to this, you're still dodging my challenge any way you can (It would be betraying God/I don't have a favourite colour). Choose to have a favourite colour, this is exactly my point. You say you don't have one, so use the control over your beliefs that you have to give yourself a favourite colour, just to prove your point. Can't see why you wouldn't take that opportunity. (November 22, 2011 at 10:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: There is no evidence to expose you to, unless you would like to run around with me for a couple of years and see the things I do, even then you would not have any hard scientific evidence you seem to require. You would see God at work and you would not be able to use science to disprove it, I know I've been walking this path for a long time and seen God at work far more than you would believe, as a matter of fact if you had you might be a believer now. I say might because you want absolute facts, that's a choice you make without any new evidence. Finally, you don't understand my point at all. Or are deliberately avoiding it (my suspicion). Look at what you said above: You say I might be a believer if I saw God at work. Yes, you're right, that's possible! And if I saw that, it would be....NEW INFORMATION INFORMING MY BELIEF. If I followed you for a couple of years, I might see things you do, and that would be NEW INFORMATION INFORMING MY BELIEF. How can you not understand this? I have been exposed to plenty of arguments, anecdotal evidence, personal experience stories, and on and on and on ad infinitum, and they are unconvincing. On the basis of the evidence I have been exposed to, I do not believe. So, one more time, you stupid prick: HOW CAN I CHOOSE TO CHANGE MY BELIEF AT THIS POINT? HOW COULD I CHOOSE TO CHANGE MY BELIEF WITHOUT FURTHER INFORMATION BECOMING AVAILABLE TO ME? I realise you're going to come back with some new acrobatics to get out of accepting that you're wrong, because you are a delusional idiot, but I'm happy to expose you fully here. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. 
What is this favorite color challenge you speak of? (bad yoda voice)
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
November 23, 2011 at 4:36 am
(This post was last modified: November 23, 2011 at 4:37 am by ElDinero.)
It's, like, a page back. But I guess I can explain this.
GC claims we do have control over our beliefs and can choose what we believe. I asked him to prove this by becoming an atheist for an hour. By believing that there is no such thing as God, then using the same control to change himself back to a Christian afterwards (unless he preferred being an atheist, of course). He refused this, saying he didn't want to. So I asked him to choose to believe that his favourite colour is pink, or to believe that he is two inches shorter than he is, or something else benign with no real ramifications (just to prove his point! He could change back an hour later!) He's refused all these as well. He claims the control he has over his beliefs is evidenced by the fact that he has changed his political beliefs in the past, which I have pointed out he did not do spontaneously. He presumably did not wake up one day and think 'I believe I'll change my opinion on x subject', rather he would have become aware of new evidence that informed his opinion and resulted in a change in belief. So, care to have a go? I feel like the operator of a carnival stall, asking Christians to step up and prove that they can control their beliefs by becoming atheist for an hour. And like a carnival stall, it's impossible to win, because what I'm asking cannot be done. 
Still waiting for an answer as to where the justice is in your theology GC.
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November 23, 2011 at 8:56 am
(This post was last modified: November 23, 2011 at 8:59 am by IATIA.)
(November 23, 2011 at 2:40 am)Phaedra Wrote:(November 23, 2011 at 1:10 am)IATIA Wrote: Does he get '72 virgins' if he does? Maybe I can make a deal with him. Physical Attributes: Wide and beautiful/lovely eyes [6][7][8] Like pearls [9] Hairless except the eye brows and the head [10] Beautiful [11] White [12] 60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall [13][14][15] 7 cubits [3.2 meters] in width [15] Transparent to the marrow of their bones [16][11] Eternally young [10] Companions of equal age [17][18]
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  RE: Hell - Where is the idea of justice?
November 23, 2011 at 9:01 am
(This post was last modified: November 23, 2011 at 9:02 am by Epimethean.)
Well, I've been to bed with tall women before, but ... It's no wonder they're virgins: No-one can reach their "appetizing" vaginas.
Trying to update my sig ...
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