(February 28, 2022 at 5:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Putin: Should I pursue this war against Ukraine?

Oracle of Delphi: If you attack Ukraine, you will destroy a great empire.

Putin: Noice.

Boru

Well, contrary to what some commentators say, I don’t think the fact that Russia hasn’t taken Kyiv is an indication they are bogged down or their momentum have been checked.     I would say they were never going to launch a shock and awe style attack the US attempted to pull off in Iraq.    Arguable such a maneuver would require a large professional core to the standing army and can not be pulled off with an army of largely short term conscripts. 

Twitter videos posted by Ukrainians suggest to me much of the invading Russian forces were conscripts with rather inadaquate training.    For example, in Kharkov Russian soldiers in isolated jeeps were seen driving around inside the city as if on holiday, with no sign of taking cover or watching for snipers.  Ukrainian drone videos show Russian trucks parks near the frontline are packed tightly, not spread out to avoid being taken out by one artillery shell, similarly Russian military convoys consist of vehicles nose to tail, not spread out to minimize damage from artillery, drone or air strikes.    All this says At least major portions of the Russian army near the front line show poor field craft not consistent with a highly proficient army able to take deep penetrating or maneuvering battles. 

A conscript army would not be skilled enough to effectively go from March right into an attack as required by a shock and awe type rapid thrust, or win an encounter battle as a maneuvering forces run into each other.   It probably would be on the loosing end of a blood bath if it were attempt to assault a heavily built up urban area. 

But it can be effective enough in holding a siege line, and participate as second line in a prepared and methodical stage by stage attack.    

What they are attempting to pull off in Kyiv seems to be to be a an encirclement operation in the Soviet style around Stalingrad, not a coup de main in German style into Stalingrad.   They will also likely leave a corridor open for a while to drive the civilians out of the encirclement before closing the trap around government forces and put it under siege until its food and ammunition runs out. 

As a side, during WWII, the Soviet army also suffered from the same handicap that apparently afflict Russian army in Ukraine now.   Soviet army central developmental and training focus after the war was on enhancing their army’s ability to attack right from a March and win encounter battles, as required if they were to drive NATO into the sea in 2 weeks.   By late 1980s they were confident they were superior to NATO and the Americas in the difficult art of deep penetrating battles of maneuver and in efficiency in encounter battles. 

It seems clear under Putin the Russian army has not regained Soviet army’s efficiency on the attack, even on modern Russian army’s much smaller scale.

This army is not going to take poland.

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(February 28, 2022 at 10:57 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: The Russian ruble is now worth less than one U.S. cent.

It was not worth anywhere close to 2 cents before

(February 28, 2022 at 4:09 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(February 28, 2022 at 3:43 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Umm, the USA was actually attacked by Al-Qaida which was stationed in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

And the regime in Iraq was very much like Putin's by invading other countries like Kuwait where they killed many Muslims about the which you don't care and see both Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden as heroes because it fits your narrative of hatred towards the USA, no doubt fed to you by Russian propaganda.

##irony##

But you know that Saddam only attacked Kuwait because it wanted to join NATO, right?

##/irony##


Also, shall we forget how Iran has been pursuing nuclear weapons and got a lot of sanctions thrown at them because of it?
Or is Iran not a Muslim country, now?

Saddam attacked Kuwait because it stole Iraqi oil wells:

What did you say about the Iran bit? I didn't understand, elaborate.

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(February 28, 2022 at 10:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 28, 2022 at 2:33 am)WinterHold Wrote: Populous diarrhea, still its smell won't cover the moral bankruptcy of the west in front of Russia's demon; Putin.

He played all his cards right; copycatted the western imperialism well, copycatted the western excuses for invading Iraq+Afghanistan, copycatted the American usage of Islamists by using his own version of Islamists.

The west dug a hole, and now it fell in it.
Putin is only a reflection of a demon.

Russia was an imperialist power before the United States even existed. And Mohammad was building an empire centuries before Russia existed.

You gormless clod, you.

Boru

Christian-based imperialism is a one of a kind brand, used and utilised by the "west" and countries that take it as a role model -like the Empire of Japan in WW2-.

Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- never practiced Christian-based imperialism; actually he banned it and enforced terrible consequences on practicing it.

Putin is the reflection of the west's imperialism, just like Hitler.

(February 28, 2022 at 12:37 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(February 28, 2022 at 4:09 am)pocaracas Wrote: ##irony##

But you know that Saddam only attacked Kuwait because it wanted to join NATO, right?

##/irony##


Also, shall we forget how Iran has been pursuing nuclear weapons and got a lot of sanctions thrown at them because of it?
Or is Iran not a Muslim country, now?

Saddam attacked Kuwait because it stole Iraqi oil wells:

What did you say about the Iran bit? I didn't understand, elaborate.

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(February 28, 2022 at 10:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Russia was an imperialist power before the United States even existed. And Mohammad was building an empire centuries before Russia existed.

You gormless clod, you.

Boru

Christian-based imperialism is a one of a kind brand, used and utilised by the "west" and countries that take it as a role model -like the Empire of Japan in WW2-.

Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- never practiced Christian-based imperialism; actually he banned it and enforced terrible consequences on practicing it.

Putin is the reflection of the west's imperialism, just like Hitler.

I see. When Christians do imperialism, it’s horrific and not to be countenanced. When Muslims do imperialism, it’s a blessing from God. Thank you for clearing that up.

‘Gormless’ I said and ‘gormless’ I meant.

Boru

***note to self*** new word to ease into vocabulary - gormless

(February 28, 2022 at 12:59 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: ***note to self*** new word to ease into vocabulary - gormless

Yeah, says it all, really. Calling Winter merely ‘stupid’ has lost its zing.

Boru

(February 28, 2022 at 1:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 28, 2022 at 12:59 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: ***note to self*** new word to ease into vocabulary - gormless

Yeah, says it all, really. Calling Winter merely ‘stupid’ has lost its zing.

Boru

I'm still rather fond of 'festering fucktangle' but haven't managed to put it into play nearly as often as I had hoped.

(February 28, 2022 at 12:37 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(February 28, 2022 at 4:09 am)pocaracas Wrote: ##irony##

But you know that Saddam only attacked Kuwait because it wanted to join NATO, right?

##/irony##


Also, shall we forget how Iran has been pursuing nuclear weapons and got a lot of sanctions thrown at them because of it?
Or is Iran not a Muslim country, now?

Saddam attacked Kuwait because it stole Iraqi oil wells:

What did you say about the Iran bit? I didn't understand, elaborate.

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(February 28, 2022 at 10:48 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Russia was an imperialist power before the United States even existed. And Mohammad was building an empire centuries before Russia existed.

You gormless clod, you.

Boru

Christian-based imperialism is a one of a kind brand, used and utilised by the "west" and countries that take it as a role model -like the Empire of Japan in WW2-.

Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- never practiced Christian-based imperialism; actually he banned it and enforced terrible consequences on practicing it.

Putin is the reflection of the west's imperialism, just like Hitler.

japan practiced christian based imperialism?   where did japan get the christians with which to practice its imperialism?

Yes, of course mohammed banned christian imperialism,   there is no room in islamic imperial vision of the world for a rival religious imperialism.   In fact for 800 years islamic imperialism was much more forceful and successful than christian imperialism, far more of islam is actually build direct on islamic imperial success against christianity.   Without islamic imperialism islam would still be milking camels in arabian desert. 

What checked islamic imperialism was not any deficiency in brutality or aggressiveness, it is backwardness and inability to progress beyond a the confine imposed by a primitive barbarous ethos of the iron age desert tribesmen of mohammed’s world. The west, for all its faults, triumphed over islamic imperialism not because it was more brutal, which it was not, but because it was more susceptible to progress.

Quote:Saddam attacked Kuwait because it stole Iraqi oil wells:

What did you say about the Iran bit? I didn't understand, elaborate.

Did you even read your own source? right under your citation 

Quote:According to oil workers in the area, Iraq's slant drilling claim was fabricated, as "oil flows easily from the Rumaila field without any need for these techniques

In other words, Iraq lied to justify an invasion 

And from the same site 

Quote:In early 1990, Iraq accused Kuwait of stealing Iraqi petroleum through cross-border slant drilling, although some Iraqi sources indicated that 's decision to attack Kuwait was already made a few months before the actual invasion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Kuwait

From the same source another reason is given for the invasion 

Quote:A variety of speculations have been made regarding the true intents behind the Iraqi move, including Iraq's inability to pay Kuwait more than US$14 billion that it had borrowed from Kuwait to finance the ,

So ibn other words Iraqi wasn't paying back it's debts

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Quote:Christian-based imperialism is a one of a kind brand, used and utilised by the "west" and countries that take it as a role model -like the Empire of Japan in WW2-.

Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- never practiced Christian-based imperialism; actually he banned it and enforced terrible consequences on practicing it.

Putin is the reflection of the west's imperialism, just like Hitler.

Every empire has imperialism that's why it's fucking called imperialism the Christain variety is no more brutal than the Islamic one. You simply deny that it is.

christian imperialism seems particularly brutal to islamists like winter mainly because due to historic circumstances it showcases most clearly the striking snd utter inadequacy of islam as a creed in a world that progressed beyond medieval feudal

but just about any country or culture that is making good progress in modernizing and industrializing shows the utter inadequacy of islamic.  Japan did, and china is doing it now, amongst many other examples.  But islam hasn’t had the chance to be spanked long enough and hard enough for that to generally sunken in yet

They call shame or moral decay mainly because deep down, even they realize mere wishful thinking about islam turning the tide is not self delusional enough.   They also need additional help from obscuring fog of bloated self righteousness to fully delude themselves into believing what they have chosen is a gem, and not a primitive millstone around their necks.

(February 28, 2022 at 12:37 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(February 28, 2022 at 4:09 am)pocaracas Wrote: ##irony##

But you know that Saddam only attacked Kuwait because it wanted to join NATO, right?

##/irony##


Also, shall we forget how Iran has been pursuing nuclear weapons and got a lot of sanctions thrown at them because of it?
Or is Iran not a Muslim country, now?

Saddam attacked Kuwait because it stole Iraqi oil wells:

What did you say about the Iran bit? I didn't understand, elaborate.

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About Iran:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
""The nuclear program of Iran is an ongoing scientific effort by Iran to research nuclear technology and allegedly develop nuclear weapons. Iran has several research sites, two uranium mines, a research reactor, and uranium processing facilities that include three known uranium enrichment plants.""


I wonder if Iran is a part of the Muslim world or something else, now...