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A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 22, 2022 at 9:23 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:
(March 20, 2022 at 7:24 am)Jehanne Wrote: Live babies being taken out of incubators; ironically, similar false claims were, as I recall, made to justify involvement in World War I.  Also, "Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain!"  And, by the way, those U2 flights were really about weather research.

Plato, in the Republic, said lying politicians were okay, and that such is necessary.

That is an example of where the system is faulty.
Going to war with Iraq is a state level decision and to hold accountable the people involved, you usually need a state level organization that can take them to court.
Or, you need the population of the USA to protest until some state level organization does something about it. However, the population is busy with their daily lives, going shopping, watching sports, take the kid to kindergarden, ....
So, the number of citizens who care and will protest is probably very low.
At the UN level, the USA has many friends and those friends probably do not want to upset the USA.

We also have to take the news outlets into account. They were telling us how evil Sadam Hussein is. So, it made it look like a good idea to bombard Iraq. The reality is that many innocent people who aren’t interested in fighting died.

Take the case of Ukraine vs Russia. Every news channel tells us how evil and mad Putin is. What they don’t tell us is that there was peace just a few years ago. The problem was initiated by an anti-russian policy from Ukraine in ~Jan 2014 and later on, they tried to join NATO.
It is part of USA foreign policy to get every ex-Soviet nation to join it and to isolate Russia.
What’s the purpose of NATO? The Russians probably see it as an organization that wants to setup an army to invade Russia.


Take the case of Armenia vs Azerbaijan in Sep 2020. Azerbaijan continually attacks the Artsakh-Kharabagh region and is trying to take it back.
What the news outlets don’t tell you:
According to the UN, Artsakh-Kharabagh belongs to Azerbaijan.
According to who? Soviet Russia, I think it was during Stalin’s time, gave some Armenia’s land to Azerbaijan, some to Georgia.
Why does the UN respect that decision?
There are ancient maps that show those regions were part of Armenia.

That issue started with the breakup of the Soviet union in 1991. How is it that the UN is backing Azerbaijan? Is it because of the petrol fields? Armenia has none and Azerbaijan has plenty.

CONCLUSION: At the international level, at the presidential level, politics gets dirty and news media tend to misrepresent or choose what to present and what not to present to people.

Every single bit of the bolded part is a lie.
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
How many times has Russia been invaded over the last 300 years?  Recall the presence of US troops in Russia a century ago:

The Forgotten Story of the American Troops Who Got Caught Up in the Russian Civil War
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 23, 2022 at 7:02 am)Jehanne Wrote: How many times has Russia been invaded over the last 300 years?  Recall the presence of US troops in Russia a century ago:

The Forgotten Story of the American Troops Who Got Caught Up in the Russian Civil War

...and that is a justification of what?
Russia (and its allies) has attacked the Ottoman Empire in the past 300 years numerous times, conquering Ukraine, Crimera, et al.
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 23, 2022 at 8:56 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(March 23, 2022 at 7:02 am)Jehanne Wrote: How many times has Russia been invaded over the last 300 years?  Recall the presence of US troops in Russia a century ago:

The Forgotten Story of the American Troops Who Got Caught Up in the Russian Civil War

...and that is a justification of what?
Russia (and its allies) has attacked the Ottoman Empire in the past 300 years numerous times, conquering Ukraine, Crimera, et al.

Kennedy pushed the World towards nuclear war over the issue of the Soviet Union putting missiles in Cuba.
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 23, 2022 at 10:28 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(March 23, 2022 at 8:56 am)Deesse23 Wrote: ...and that is a justification of what?
Russia (and its allies) has attacked the Ottoman Empire in the past 300 years numerous times, conquering Ukraine, Crimera, et al.

Kennedy pushed the World towards nuclear war over the issue of the Soviet Union putting missiles in Cuba.
Whataboutism, completely irrelevant.
Please try again.
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 23, 2022 at 11:38 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(March 23, 2022 at 10:28 am)Jehanne Wrote: Kennedy pushed the World towards nuclear war over the issue of the Soviet Union putting missiles in Cuba.
Whataboutism, completely irrelevant.
Please try again.

And, so, you think that it is okay for the Ukraine to join NATO and to have NATO planes, tanks, and miles, both conventional and nuclear, on Ukrainian soil?
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
Seems like that's up to ukraine.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 23, 2022 at 12:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Seems like that's up to ukraine.

Why all the fuss then when the Soviets were going to place missiles in Cuba, an independent and sovereign nation?
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
Cold warriors gotta cold war, I guess...?

Nothing much to do with me - I'd say joining nato or hosting missiles is a countries own business in any case.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 23, 2022 at 12:36 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Cold warriors gotta cold war, I guess...?

Nothing much to do with me - I'd say joining nato or hosting missiles is a countries own business in any case.

Then, let's abolish all armed forces, get rid of all nuclear weapons and create a World government who will have a special operations force to deal with the isolated issues of terrorists, criminals, etc.
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