Stop ranting about posting pictures and links for a second.

I think the question you asked is interesting. So let's talk about it.

You are right to point out that people's perceptions don't always give us accurate impressions of the world. So I ask you, deepend... does that mean that there is no real truth out there? Is there a way (perhaps systematic observation where bias is minimized, or at least accounted for) in which we might generate a more accurate picture of the world?

(March 24, 2022 at 5:33 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Stop ranting about posting pictures and links for a second.

I think the question you asked is interesting. So let's talk about it.

You are right to point out that people's perceptions don't always give us accurate impressions of the world. So I ask you, deepend... does that mean that there is no real truth out there? Is there a way (perhaps systematic observation where bias is minimized, or at least accounted for) in which we might generate a more accurate picture of the world?

  There is real truth out there.  But I am only interested in truth on important matters.  How to know what the truth is?  For the most part it is the opposite of what the vast majority of people think it is.  Also, for the vast majority of people, they just don't care.  That is mostly because of brainwashing.  Frank Zappa did a good song about the brainwashing power of television.  (Though of course that isn't the only source)  The song is called, "I'm The Slime."  I will tell you some of the lyrics.  I know them by heart.  "You will obey me while I lead you.  And eat the garbage that I feed you.  Until the day that we don't need you.  Don't go for help, no one will heed you.  Your mind is totally controlled.  It has been stuffed into my mold.  And you will do as you are told.  Until the rights to you are sold."  I have tried to the extent I am allowed around here and at many forums to give people a more accurate picture of the world.  It just isn't allowed.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 5:33 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Stop ranting about posting pictures and links for a second.

I think the question you asked is interesting. So let's talk about it.

You are right to point out that people's perceptions don't always give us accurate impressions of the world. So I ask you, deepend... does that mean that there is no real truth out there? Is there a way (perhaps systematic observation where bias is minimized, or at least accounted for) in which we might generate a more accurate picture of the world?

  There is real truth out there.  But I am only interested in truth on important matters.  How to know what the truth is?  For the most part it is the opposite of what the vast majority of people think it is.  Also, for the vast majority of people, they just don't care.  That is mostly because of brainwashing.  Frank Zappa did a good song about the brainwashing power of television.  (Though of course that isn't the only source)  The song is called, "I'm The Slime."  I will tell you some of the lyrics.  I know them by heart.  "You will obey me while I lead you.  And eat the garbage that I feed you.  Until the day that we don't need you.  Don't go for help, no one will heed you.  Your mind is totally controlled.  It has been stuffed into my mold.  And you will do as you are told.  Until the rights to you are sold."  I have tried to the extent I am allowed around here and at many forums to give people a more accurate picture of the world.  It just isn't allowed.

So, your issues with forums and rules of same aren't just about this forum.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 5:33 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Stop ranting about posting pictures and links for a second.

I think the question you asked is interesting. So let's talk about it.

You are right to point out that people's perceptions don't always give us accurate impressions of the world. So I ask you, deepend... does that mean that there is no real truth out there? Is there a way (perhaps systematic observation where bias is minimized, or at least accounted for) in which we might generate a more accurate picture of the world?

  There is real truth out there.  But I am only interested in truth on important matters.  How to know what the truth is?  For the most part it is the opposite of what the vast majority of people think it is.  Also, for the vast majority of people, they just don't care.  That is mostly because of brainwashing.  Frank Zappa did a good song about the brainwashing power of television.  (Though of course that isn't the only source)  The song is called, "I'm The Slime."  I will tell you some of the lyrics.  I know them by heart.  "You will obey me while I lead you.  And eat the garbage that I feed you.  Until the day that we don't need you.  Don't go for help, no one will heed you.  Your mind is totally controlled.  It has been stuffed into my mold.  And you will do as you are told.  Until the rights to you are sold."  I have tried to the extent I am allowed around here and at many forums to give people a more accurate picture of the world.  It just isn't allowed.

Well, you're a Frank Zappa fan. So you can't be totally horrible.

I've listened to a handful of Frank Zappa songs, and each one was excellent.

So I think your idea is pretty ancient. If I follow you correctly, you're kind of talking about Plato's Cave, where people mistake shadows on the wall for reality. Plato's solution is to make excruciating intellectual effort to leave the cave. What's your solution?

(March 24, 2022 at 6:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm)deepend Wrote:   There is real truth out there.  But I am only interested in truth on important matters.  How to know what the truth is?  For the most part it is the opposite of what the vast majority of people think it is.  Also, for the vast majority of people, they just don't care.  That is mostly because of brainwashing.  Frank Zappa did a good song about the brainwashing power of television.  (Though of course that isn't the only source)  The song is called, "I'm The Slime."  I will tell you some of the lyrics.  I know them by heart.  "You will obey me while I lead you.  And eat the garbage that I feed you.  Until the day that we don't need you.  Don't go for help, no one will heed you.  Your mind is totally controlled.  It has been stuffed into my mold.  And you will do as you are told.  Until the rights to you are sold."  I have tried to the extent I am allowed around here and at many forums to give people a more accurate picture of the world.  It just isn't allowed.

So, your issues with forums and rules of same aren't just about this forum.

  Whatever made you think otherwise.  Basically, all forums are the same.  This one just happens to have a 30/30 rule that at first I didn't know about, then mistakenly thought ended after you made 30 posts.  For which I have had heaps of shit piled on me.  But don't worry.  I plan to give you all some good reasons to hate me.  Truthful reasons.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 5:33 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Stop ranting about posting pictures and links for a second.

I think the question you asked is interesting. So let's talk about it.

You are right to point out that people's perceptions don't always give us accurate impressions of the world. So I ask you, deepend... does that mean that there is no real truth out there? Is there a way (perhaps systematic observation where bias is minimized, or at least accounted for) in which we might generate a more accurate picture of the world?

  There is real truth out there.  But I am only interested in truth on important matters.  How to know what the truth is?  For the most part it is the opposite of what the vast majority of people think it is.  Also, for the vast majority of people, they just don't care.  That is mostly because of brainwashing.  Frank Zappa did a good song about the brainwashing power of television.  (Though of course that isn't the only source)  The song is called, "I'm The Slime."  I will tell you some of the lyrics.  I know them by heart.  "You will obey me while I lead you.  And eat the garbage that I feed you.  Until the day that we don't need you.  Don't go for help, no one will heed you.  Your mind is totally controlled.  It has been stuffed into my mold.  And you will do as you are told.  Until the rights to you are sold."  I have tried to the extent I am allowed around here and at many forums to give people a more accurate picture of the world.  It just isn't allowed.

Why do you believe that the popularity of a proposition is related to its truth?

(March 24, 2022 at 6:24 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: So, your issues with forums and rules of same aren't just about this forum.

  Whatever made you think otherwise.  Basically, all forums are the same.  This one just happens to have a 30/30 rule that at first I didn't know about, then mistakenly thought ended after you made 30 posts.  For which I have had heaps of shit piled on me.  But don't worry.  I plan to give you all some good reasons to hate me.  Truthful reasons.

Threats...empty threats.

It's 30 days AND 30 posts.  You have a while to go.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:09 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 5:33 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Stop ranting about posting pictures and links for a second.

I think the question you asked is interesting. So let's talk about it.

You are right to point out that people's perceptions don't always give us accurate impressions of the world. So I ask you, deepend... does that mean that there is no real truth out there? Is there a way (perhaps systematic observation where bias is minimized, or at least accounted for) in which we might generate a more accurate picture of the world?

  There is real truth out there.  But I am only interested in truth on important matters.  How to know what the truth is?  For the most part it is the opposite of what the vast majority of people think it is.  Also, for the vast majority of people, they just don't care.  That is mostly because of brainwashing.  Frank Zappa did a good song about the brainwashing power of television.  (Though of course that isn't the only source)  The song is called, "I'm The Slime."  I will tell you some of the lyrics.  I know them by heart.  "You will obey me while I lead you.  And eat the garbage that I feed you.  Until the day that we don't need you.  Don't go for help, no one will heed you.  Your mind is totally controlled.  It has been stuffed into my mold.  And you will do as you are told.  Until the rights to you are sold."  I have tried to the extent I am allowed around here and at many forums to give people a more accurate picture of the world.  It just isn't allowed.

Sounds like the 'truth' you want to tell about is very subjective.

I always go to Zappa for life's truths. After all, he did warn us not to eat the yellow snow.

(March 24, 2022 at 6:24 pm)deepend Wrote:

(March 24, 2022 at 6:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: So, your issues with forums and rules of same aren't just about this forum.

 I plan to give you all some good reasons to hate me.  Truthful reasons.

Damn, you’re so edgy I almost cut myself on your post!