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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 9:45 am
(July 23, 2022 at 3:59 am)Helios Wrote: Ah another theist trotting out arguments from ignorance and arguments from incredulity...How very uninteresting 
I'm not the one ignorant on the 1st and 2nd laws I gave. None of you have shown how that's ignorant so you give the lame excuse we don't know as you want to ignore what we know. None of you will be honest and just admit, going by what we know, creation had to be supernatural. You are doing the spoiled brat dance to avoid that. I'm just having fun seeing all your dancing around avoiding that clear fact.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 9:48 am
(July 23, 2022 at 4:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 22, 2022 at 1:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It must be true, in a universe in which intelligent creatures are considering the requirements of their existence, that the requirements of the existence of intelligent creatures that can question the requirements of their existence...has been met in that universe.
Fine tuning is a deepity.
Show me human beings alive and well on the surface of a nuetron star, and we'll talk about fucking "magic"......
Given that there are terrestrial environs where humans can't survive (at least not without very special help), it's mighty hard to make the case that even the Earth is finely tuned for human life.
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Boru "Given that there are terrestrial environs where humans can't survive (at least not without very special help), it's mighty hard to make the case that even the Earth is finely tuned for human life."
Says the person who is alive on this earth.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 9:51 am
(July 23, 2022 at 6:27 am)GUBU Wrote: (July 22, 2022 at 1:25 pm)Billy Bob Wrote: "You don't have to be ignorant to use an argument from ignorance."
That didn't get around the evidence I gave.
"Your assertions aren't evidence and don't require evidence to dismiss, they require evidence to accept."
They were not assertions, they are laws of science. You can lie all you want to but it does not change the science.
"Admitting what you don't know something is not ignorance or weakness, it's intellectual integrity."
I gave laws only science fiction people ignore, which is you. We KNOW those laws following what science showed by them being observable, repeatable, and falsifiable, but YOU want to ignore them and remain ignorant. You claiming that I'm the ignorant one is just an.....assertion. I give science, you give assertions.
You're clearly showing you are a joke regarding integrity.
On evidence, you haven't provided any so there is nothing to get around. Provide us with any evidence that god better explains reality than all of the discoveries of scienceand we can start talking. But remember, since science started to get going properly over the last 400 years, the phenomena attributed to god by religion has been ever shrinking.
Oh and on integrity, you wouldn't know about it if it upped and bit you on the arse, so don't presume to lecture us about not having any. "On evidence, you haven't provided any so there is nothing to get around."
I clearly did and you can lie all you want.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 10:06 am
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(July 23, 2022 at 9:40 am)Billy Bob Wrote: If it did, give evidence that this natural event somehow had no such laws to abide by.
Our current laws of physics are incapable of accurately describing the universe before the inception of the big bang and so our laws are not knowably applicable at the time when the universe ostensibly began.
But keep spinning your outrageous fantasy for anyone bored enough to listen.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 11:03 am
(July 23, 2022 at 9:20 am)Billy Bob Wrote: I can give evidence for the fine tuning but if you're going to gloss over what I gave on creation, you'll do the same with fine tuning.
Then why do you come here if you consider a conversation with people here futile?
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 11:50 am
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(July 23, 2022 at 9:20 am)Billy Bob Wrote: Again, YOU...."This is completely understood by science and is called Natural Selection."
What the hell, what is selecting?!!!
Variable rates of survival and reproduction based upon heritable traits within breeding populations. Glad I could clear that up for you.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 11:57 am
(July 23, 2022 at 9:51 am)Billy Bob Wrote: (July 23, 2022 at 6:27 am)GUBU Wrote: On evidence, you haven't provided any so there is nothing to get around. Provide us with any evidence that god better explains reality than all of the discoveries of scienceand we can start talking. But remember, since science started to get going properly over the last 400 years, the phenomena attributed to god by religion has been ever shrinking.
Oh and on integrity, you wouldn't know about it if it upped and bit you on the arse, so don't presume to lecture us about not having any. "On evidence, you haven't provided any so there is nothing to get around."
I clearly did and you can lie all you want.
All you done in relation to giving evidence is to prove that you don't understand the con you're trying to run. Because you're so far off on what the science says and how much evidence backs it, it's clear you don't understan what you're saying. You're a cut price Banana man.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 12:03 pm
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(July 23, 2022 at 9:48 am)Billy Bob Wrote: (July 23, 2022 at 4:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Given that there are terrestrial environs where humans can't survive (at least not without very special help), it's mighty hard to make the case that even the Earth is finely tuned for human life.
'Ocean: a body of water occupying about two thirds of a world made for Man - who has no gills.' - Bierce
Boru "Given that there are terrestrial environs where humans can't survive (at least not without very special help), it's mighty hard to make the case that even the Earth is finely tuned for human life."
Says the person who is alive on this earth.
Yes, I'm alive on this Earth, but they are more places on this Earth where I can't survive unaided than places where I can.
If a supernatural being fine-tuned the universe for human life, why can't I survive in a geothermal vent, or under six tonnes of gravel? Why is it that I have to breathe a mixture of nitrogen/oxygen and not sulfur dioxide? Why do I need supplemental oxygen to ascend to great heights or descend to great depths? Why can't I thrive in conditions where polar bears or tardigrades seem to make a good living?
The most - the very most - you can claim is that a very, very narrow range of living conditions have been fine-tuned for human beings. And even that claim is more than a little specious, since evolutionary theory has already answered it.
You're very stupid.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 12:32 pm
(July 23, 2022 at 9:48 am)Billy Bob Wrote: "Given that there are terrestrial environs where humans can't survive (at least not without very special help), it's mighty hard to make the case that even the Earth is finely tuned for human life."
Says the person who is alive on this earth.
They way you phrased that here, your reply implies that you're saying, "If we can live anywhere, on Earth then we can live everywhere on Earth." I'll assume you're not that obtuse to actually believe that. All he was saying that even for this planet, that we do live on, there are still lots of areas that will kill us.
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RE: Why does science always upstage God?
July 23, 2022 at 2:03 pm
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Quote:I'm not the one ignorant on the 1st and 2nd laws I gave. None of you have shown how that's ignorant so you give the lame excuse we don't know as you want to ignore what we know. None of you will be honest and just admit, going by what we know, creation had to be supernatural. You are doing the spoiled brat dance to avoid that. I'm just having fun seeing all your dancing around avoiding that clear fact.
I ignored nothing buddy just nothing you said really matters and the rest of this little temper tantrum can safely be dismissed. You have not established a need for the supernatural let alone a god. The only one who has been dancing around is you doing the same tired two-step as every other desperate god botherer who's come here has. You are not special lamb chop you are just another name no one here will remember in two weeks till you come back with another sock account 
When you get around to demonstrating that rules that currently apply to things within the universe must apply to before or to the formation of the universe without running afoul of a composition fallacy come back and try again. Also, no one needs to demonstrate the contrary. Also, natural events don't need to follow the current laws of physics to be natural.
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