(August 15, 2022 at 4:17 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: Now if only you would apply that same standard of skepticism to all purported "holy" books, Winter.

Actually I did. I read the Quran for decades, done my research about countless verses, all scepticism and arguments were simply refuted, all the skeptics built their theories on nonsense, being able to speak and read Arabic fluently just exposed the vigorous amount of ignorance and bias in these arguments.

Sorry, but 10 years here didn't change my mind one bit but exposed lots of bias and wrong understanding and Muslim Sunnies/Shiites shooting themselves in the foot because of using the Hadith.

(August 15, 2022 at 4:49 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Interesting that the beliefs of Muslims are as fractured as the beliefs of Christians.

I might be convinced if there was some continuity.

Nothing is fractured but the Hadith books.
Christianity too is the same story.

(August 15, 2022 at 6:27 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 15, 2022 at 4:49 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Interesting that the beliefs of Muslims are as fractured as the beliefs of Christians.

I might be convinced if there was some continuity.

Nothing is fractured but the Hadith books.
Christianity too is the same story.

pffft

How can I become a Muslim so I can get into some really Satanic shit?

Theists need to stop claiming themselves as theistically devoted to their faith if they're ignoring essential teachings from their prophet.

(August 15, 2022 at 11:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: How can I become a Muslim so I can get into some really Satanic shit?

Muslims would not view your conversion as being sincere, and they may kill you over it.

(August 15, 2022 at 11:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: How can I become a Muslim so I can get into some really Satanic shit?

You could start by yawning because, according to Muhammad, when you yawn with the open mouth the devil enters your mouth:

“When one of you yawns, he should keep his mouth shut with the help of his hand, for it is the devil that enters therein.”
~Sahih Muslim 42:7130


Also, if you don't rise daily at a very early hour to worship an imaginary force called Allah, the devil pisses in your ear

Narrated 'Abdullah : A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears."
~Sahih Bukhari 2:21:245

You should also fail to blow your nose in the morning beacause according to the master of Islam, a Muslim must blow his nose in the morning as the devil always sleeps in every man’s nose each night.

"When any one of you awakes up from sleep and performs ablution, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose."
~Sahih Muslim 2:462


And since this buffoon didn't understant diseases you could get a flu because

The Prophet said, "Fever is from the heat of Hell”
~Sahih Bukhari 7:71:621


Or maybe you shoud get a woman or a horse or a house because they are evil Satanic omens

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said "If there is any evil omen in anything, then it is in the woman, the horse and the house."
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:111


Or get a black dog. Muslims hate (black) dogs because the "black" dog was rebuked by the "prophet" for “being a devil.” Muhammad even ordered that all were to be slaughtered throughout Arabia.

Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of 'Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
~Sahih Muslim 4:1032

(August 15, 2022 at 11:17 pm)Tomato Wrote: Theists need to stop claiming themselves as theistically devoted to their faith if they're ignoring essential teachings from their prophet.

You see, the Hadith is not the teachings of Mohammed PBUH, but "reports claiming to narrate Mohammed's words".

Every report is called a single "Hadith".

A "Hadith book" is a book containing these reports. There are thousands of reports and volumes upon volumes of "reports claiming to narrate Mohammed's words".

So technically, I denounce them because I simply trust no historical report told before 1400 years. 

The reason you have "Sunni Islam" and "Shiite Islam" is these reports: some believe in a group of reports only, others believe in another group of reports.

While the Quran is the only admitted book to be the one and only revelation from God, while all the Hadiths are mere "reports" claiming that Mohammed said this or that in addition.

So I denounce the reports, and believe in the revelation only.

What evidence do you have that the quran is the revelation from god?
(not trying to cause upset, just curious why one piece of ancient text is believed and another one isn't)

(August 15, 2022 at 11:27 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(August 15, 2022 at 11:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: How can I become a Muslim so I can get into some really Satanic shit?

Muslims would not view your conversion as being sincere, and they may kill you over it.

Look at the comment of "Fake Messiah" to see the problem of narrations: with the Quran his case is closed before it even starts; but with the "reports claiming to narrate Mohammed's words", he has a chance to prolong the case until somebody directs his sight again at the Quran.