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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 18, 2022 at 8:43 am
(August 17, 2022 at 11:42 pm)Tomato Wrote: (August 17, 2022 at 10:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: The context is clearly someone in the present and not some future individual. In fact, no Jewish interpreter saw the passage as being prophetic.
Derailing, not sorry, but how do you pronounce your username?
My name is Dawn. At my Catholic confirmation, I adopted as my Saint name "Jehanne", which I have read was pronounced with two syllables during the late Middle Ages.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 18, 2022 at 8:47 am
(August 18, 2022 at 8:43 am)Jehanne Wrote: (August 17, 2022 at 11:42 pm)Tomato Wrote: Derailing, not sorry, but how do you pronounce your username?
My name is Dawn. At my Catholic confirmation, I adopted as my Saint name "Jehanne", which I have read was pronounced with two syllables during the late Middle Ages.
So you pronounce the H?
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 18, 2022 at 10:19 am
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(August 18, 2022 at 8:47 am)Tomato Wrote: (August 18, 2022 at 8:43 am)Jehanne Wrote: My name is Dawn. At my Catholic confirmation, I adopted as my Saint name "Jehanne", which I have read was pronounced with two syllables during the late Middle Ages.
So you pronounce the H?
I pronounce it (which, in real life, rarely occurs, if ever) with one syllable, kind of like "John", but sluring the 'J' somewhat.
P.S. The 'h' would be silent.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 19, 2022 at 2:25 pm
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(August 13, 2022 at 9:13 am)WinterHold Wrote: The verse did say that it exists in the current OT we have; corrupted or not:
Um, not really, buddy. Where does the verse say the reference exists in OT/NT versions that people will have access to in the 21st century ?
(August 13, 2022 at 9:13 am)WinterHold Wrote: End of story: the search should be in the bible we have today.
And the verse is found just like I showed in the OP.
Conclusion. Deedat nailed it.
Bold mine, where is the word today in the verses ?
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 19, 2022 at 5:54 pm
The Magic Library must be immense, with all the hidden and lost magic books that make it so that the apparent untruths in the known magic books are...somehow...true.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 19, 2022 at 6:06 pm
(August 8, 2022 at 2:44 am)WinterHold Wrote: One of the verses in the Quran say that Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- is mentioned in the Bible and the Torah:
Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
https://quran.com/7?startingVerse=157
Those who follow the Messenger, the Ummi (unlettered) prophet whom they find written with them in the Torah and the Injil (The gospels), and who bids them the Fair and forbids the Unfair, and makes pure things permissible for them and makes in pure things pitted to them, and relieves them of their burden, and of the shackles that were upon them. So, those who believe in him and strengthen him, and help him and follow the light sent down with him, those are the ones who are successful."
[color=var(--color-text-faded)]— Maarif-ul-Quran[/color]
I was puzzled my whole life because such verse doesn't exist in the Bible or the Torah; the name "Mohammed" can't be found..or so I thought until I found the verse, and I was shocked to my core since the name "Mohammed" was mentioned literally.
In the Old Testament in (Song of Solomon, Chapter 5 verse 16) the name is mentioned, but in the Hebrew text, not in the English text.
The Hebrew verse says:
https://biblehub.com/texts/songs/5-16.htm
חכו ממתקים וכלו מחמדים זה דודי וזה רעי בנות ירושלם׃
Go to Google Translate, and make the verse reads.
This is the word: מחמדים . Mohammed.
But the name was translated in the English version to "All together lovely". So a Christian or a Jew would read the chapter million times without finding Mohammed's name.
Credit to Ahmed Deedat may God have mercy on his soul:
Those three religions are the same religion. So it is no shock considering they all stem from the same fertile crescent region that the stories would overlap. But you are not proving anything, your Koran is the last in the series, just like Return Of The Jedi is the last of the original 3 Star Wars. You are working backwords in time, just like the authors of the Koran were simply rearranging the bible to suit their beliefs.
The earliest Christians were were merely writing the NT to usher in a new Messiah in their time. But even the earliest Hebrews merely stole the Yahweh character from Canaanite polytheism where Yahweh was not the top head God, but a lesser god as part of the "divine family".
Point is you are NOT making any original argument. Characters overlapping does not make your monotheistic God anymore real than the Christian or Jewish God.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 19, 2022 at 7:40 pm
(August 19, 2022 at 6:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (August 8, 2022 at 2:44 am)WinterHold Wrote: One of the verses in the Quran say that Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- is mentioned in the Bible and the Torah:
I was puzzled my whole life because such verse doesn't exist in the Bible or the Torah; the name "Mohammed" can't be found..or so I thought until I found the verse, and I was shocked to my core since the name "Mohammed" was mentioned literally.
In the Old Testament in (Song of Solomon, Chapter 5 verse 16) the name is mentioned, but in the Hebrew text, not in the English text.
The Hebrew verse says:
https://biblehub.com/texts/songs/5-16.htm
חכו ממתקים וכלו מחמדים זה דודי וזה רעי בנות ירושלם׃
Go to Google Translate, and make the verse reads.
This is the word: מחמדים . Mohammed.
But the name was translated in the English version to "All together lovely". So a Christian or a Jew would read the chapter million times without finding Mohammed's name.
Credit to Ahmed Deedat may God have mercy on his soul:
Those three religions are the same religion. So it is no shock considering they all stem from the same fertile crescent region that the stories would overlap. But you are not proving anything, your Koran is the last in the series, just like Return Of The Jedi is the last of the original 3 Star Wars. You are working backwords in time, just like the authors of the Koran were simply rearranging the bible to suit their beliefs.
The earliest Christians were were merely writing the NT to usher in a new Messiah in their time. But even the earliest Hebrews merely stole the Yahweh character from Canaanite polytheism where Yahweh was not the top head God, but a lesser god as part of the "divine family".
Point is you are NOT making any original argument. Characters overlapping does not make your monotheistic God anymore real than the Christian or Jewish God.
They are manifestly NOT the same religion. Same god, different religions.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 19, 2022 at 7:53 pm
Honestly not the same god either, but they do like to pretend, so.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 20, 2022 at 1:30 am
(August 17, 2022 at 10:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (August 17, 2022 at 10:25 pm)Tomato Wrote: Subjective interpretation, the bane of humanity.
The context is clearly someone in the present and not some future individual. In fact, no Jewish interpreter saw the passage as being prophetic.
But "The Song of Solomon" in the Hebrew OT clearly speaks about a present tense:
https://biblehub.com/texts/songs/5-16.htm
Rough translation from google translate:
Wait for the sweets and all the pets, this is my uncle and this is my bad, daughters of Jerusalem
original text:
חכו ממתקים וכלו מחמדים זה דודי וזה רעי בנות ירושלם׃
Translation of מחמדים :
Muhamadim
The word "wait for" in the verse clearly turns this into a prophecy. Wait for "Mohammed" whom has a sweet words.
The sweet words are obviously the Quran that came with "Mohammedim"; Jenny.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 20, 2022 at 1:42 am
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(August 19, 2022 at 6:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (August 8, 2022 at 2:44 am)WinterHold Wrote: One of the verses in the Quran say that Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- is mentioned in the Bible and the Torah:
I was puzzled my whole life because such verse doesn't exist in the Bible or the Torah; the name "Mohammed" can't be found..or so I thought until I found the verse, and I was shocked to my core since the name "Mohammed" was mentioned literally.
In the Old Testament in (Song of Solomon, Chapter 5 verse 16) the name is mentioned, but in the Hebrew text, not in the English text.
The Hebrew verse says:
https://biblehub.com/texts/songs/5-16.htm
חכו ממתקים וכלו מחמדים זה דודי וזה רעי בנות ירושלם׃
Go to Google Translate, and make the verse reads.
This is the word: מחמדים . Mohammed.
But the name was translated in the English version to "All together lovely". So a Christian or a Jew would read the chapter million times without finding Mohammed's name.
Credit to Ahmed Deedat may God have mercy on his soul:
Those three religions are the same religion. So it is no shock considering they all stem from the same fertile crescent region that the stories would overlap. But you are not proving anything, your Koran is the last in the series, just like Return Of The Jedi is the last of the original 3 Star Wars. You are working backwords in time, just like the authors of the Koran were simply rearranging the bible to suit their beliefs.
The earliest Christians were were merely writing the NT to usher in a new Messiah in their time. But even the earliest Hebrews merely stole the Yahweh character from Canaanite polytheism where Yahweh was not the top head God, but a lesser god as part of the "divine family".
Point is you are NOT making any original argument. Characters overlapping does not make your monotheistic God anymore real than the Christian or Jewish God.
So you seriously believe Brian that Mohammed was "invented by ancient Jews" in the OT?
And thousands of years later, a real Mohammed was born and used the prophecy in the OT to rule Arabia?
Hence ancient Jews didn't know what Arabic is!!!
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