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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 14, 2022 at 11:47 am
(August 13, 2022 at 7:38 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (August 13, 2022 at 10:54 am)Jehanne Wrote: Here's the Revised Standard Version:
His speech is most sweet,
and he is altogether desirable.
This is my beloved and this is my friend,
O daughters of Jerusalem.
Are you claiming that the translators are deliberately mistranslating the verse?
Yes, they translated the name "Mohammed" from Hebrew to "altogether desirable/altogether lovely" in English versions. Probably to never give Islam the upper hand. Notice that the first "English bible" was translated in 1382. Mohammed was born in 600 ad.
I'm sorry, but, I don't buy it. What your proposing is even worse than numerology. Kind of like the proverbial monkeys pounding away on keyboards, or, at least some of them, as many monkeys would prefer one or few sets of keys to all the others. "Altogether desirable" is not a proper name, and the fact that certain names imply certain things proves nothing. We can write this one off, at best, as being a chance coincidence. For instance, is this chance or design (or, neither, but organized behavior of a complex system?):
![[Image: Mammatus_Johnston_2136.jpg]](https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2108/Mammatus_Johnston_2136.jpg)
Likewise, one can find any name one chooses in the Old & New Testaments, if one looks hard enough.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 14, 2022 at 1:01 pm
(August 14, 2022 at 11:47 am)Jehanne Wrote: (August 13, 2022 at 7:38 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Yes, they translated the name "Mohammed" from Hebrew to "altogether desirable/altogether lovely" in English versions. Probably to never give Islam the upper hand. Notice that the first "English bible" was translated in 1382. Mohammed was born in 600 ad.
I'm sorry, but, I don't buy it. What your proposing is even worse than numerology. Kind of like the proverbial monkeys pounding away on keyboards, or, at least some of them, as many monkeys would prefer one or few sets of keys to all the others. "Altogether desirable" is not a proper name, and the fact that certain names imply certain things proves nothing. We can write this one off, at best, as being a chance coincidence. For instance, is this chance or design (or, neither, but organized behavior of a complex system?):
Likewise, one can find any name one chooses in the Old & New Testaments, if one looks hard enough.
and if you play the bible code game, You can find the entire script of LOTR
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 17, 2022 at 8:48 pm
(August 14, 2022 at 11:47 am)Jehanne Wrote: (August 13, 2022 at 7:38 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Yes, they translated the name "Mohammed" from Hebrew to "altogether desirable/altogether lovely" in English versions. Probably to never give Islam the upper hand. Notice that the first "English bible" was translated in 1382. Mohammed was born in 600 ad.
I'm sorry, but, I don't buy it. What your proposing is even worse than numerology. Kind of like the proverbial monkeys pounding away on keyboards, or, at least some of them, as many monkeys would prefer one or few sets of keys to all the others. "Altogether desirable" is not a proper name, and the fact that certain names imply certain things proves nothing. We can write this one off, at best, as being a chance coincidence. For instance, is this chance or design (or, neither, but organized behavior of a complex system?):
Likewise, one can find any name one chooses in the Old & New Testaments, if one looks hard enough.
My point was that the bible was translated to English in the midst of a bloody war between Islam & Christianity (the Crusades which started in 1096). Thus, the name "Mohammed" in the Song of Solomon was mistranslated for a purpose: to not give Islam the slightest upper hand over Christianity.
It would be a disaster for the Crusaders if the Prophet they fight his religion was prophesied in the bible.
I don't need to tell you about the amount of twisting to the text of the bible.
As for the name, no, it is a name in Hebrew ! the "IM" after Mohammed is to give the name "magnification", similar to referring to the queen of England as "we, the queen of England". Notice the we !
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 17, 2022 at 9:05 pm
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(August 17, 2022 at 8:48 pm)WinterHold Wrote: My point was that the bible was translated to English in the midst of a bloody war between Islam & Christianity referring to the queen of England as "we, the queen of England". Notice the we !
Nope. Christian magic book predates the birth of your pedo prophet by nearly 700 years. You're a liar and a fraud, and you know it. Go fuck yourself.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 17, 2022 at 9:08 pm
I keep waiting for the shocking part.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 17, 2022 at 10:19 pm
(August 17, 2022 at 9:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (August 17, 2022 at 8:48 pm)WinterHold Wrote: My point was that the bible was translated to English in the midst of a bloody war between Islam & Christianity referring to the queen of England as "we, the queen of England". Notice the we !
Nope. Christian magic book predates the birth of your pedo prophet by nearly 700 years. You're a liar and a fraud, and you know it. Go fuck yourself.
Jerome translated the Bible, both Old & New Testament, in the late 4th-century. What does that say:
Quote:16 guttur illius suavissimum et totus desiderabilis talis est dilectus meus et iste est amicus meus filiae Hierusalem
His throat most sweet, and he is all lovely: such is my beloved, and he is my friend, O ye daughters of Jerusalem.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 17, 2022 at 10:25 pm
Subjective interpretation, the bane of humanity.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 17, 2022 at 10:47 pm
(August 17, 2022 at 10:25 pm)Tomato Wrote: Subjective interpretation, the bane of humanity.
The context is clearly someone in the present and not some future individual. In fact, no Jewish interpreter saw the passage as being prophetic.
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 17, 2022 at 11:42 pm
(August 17, 2022 at 10:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (August 17, 2022 at 10:25 pm)Tomato Wrote: Subjective interpretation, the bane of humanity.
The context is clearly someone in the present and not some future individual. In fact, no Jewish interpreter saw the passage as being prophetic.
Derailing, not sorry, but how do you pronounce your username?
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RE: [Shocking Reflection]: Finally, I found Mohammed's name in the Bible and the Torah
August 18, 2022 at 7:59 am
(August 17, 2022 at 11:42 pm)Tomato Wrote: (August 17, 2022 at 10:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: The context is clearly someone in the present and not some future individual. In fact, no Jewish interpreter saw the passage as being prophetic.
Derailing, not sorry, but how do you pronounce your username?
Do you not know your medieval French? I am frankly shocked and appalled sir, shocked and appalled.
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