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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 21, 2022 at 7:59 pm
(August 21, 2022 at 7:10 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (August 21, 2022 at 6:57 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Of course it’s subjective. That’s why it doesn’t matter if the god you worship is real or not. A devout Muslim is religious. If she is not devout, she’s not religious and therefore not a Muslim.
What makes someone a Muslim is that they believe in God and that the Quran is the direct word of God. If you’re not religious, you’re not a Muslim.
I know a fair number of Jews. I don’t know any who describe themselves as both atheist and religious.
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Wikipedia -- Jewish atheism
That article doesn’t support your point - ‘Jewishness’ is cultural and ethnic as well as religious. ‘Muslim’ describes religious affiliation only.
In other words, someone can be non-religious and still be Jewish. In order to be Muslim, one has to be religious.
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 21, 2022 at 8:07 pm
Being Muslim has dual meaning. It can mean you're religiously affiliated and/or culturally affiliated.
Most conservative Muslims believe the two cannot be separated, that you must be both religiously and culturally affiliated. They are wrong.
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 21, 2022 at 8:40 pm
(August 21, 2022 at 7:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (August 21, 2022 at 7:10 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Wikipedia -- Jewish atheism
That article doesn’t support your point - ‘Jewishness’ is cultural and ethnic as well as religious. ‘Muslim’ describes religious affiliation only.
In other words, someone can be non-religious and still be Jewish. In order to be Muslim, one has to be religious.
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 21, 2022 at 9:09 pm
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I think a more accurate term than "non-religious muslim" might be "lapsed Muslim." Or maybe a cultural Muslim.
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 21, 2022 at 9:13 pm
Lapsed implies that the path forsaken is the only correct one.
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 21, 2022 at 9:22 pm
(August 21, 2022 at 9:13 pm)Tomato Wrote: Lapsed implies that the path forsaken is the only correct one.
Something they'd probably agree with, even if we might not.
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 21, 2022 at 10:22 pm
(August 21, 2022 at 9:22 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (August 21, 2022 at 9:13 pm)Tomato Wrote: Lapsed implies that the path forsaken is the only correct one.
Something they'd probably agree with, even if we might not.
They don't agree amongst themselves -- Sunni v. Shite.
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 22, 2022 at 12:24 am
You do realize this isn’t about denominational schisms, right, J?
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 22, 2022 at 6:05 am
(August 22, 2022 at 12:24 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: You do realize this isn’t about denominational schisms, right, J?
Both groups claim that the other are not true Muslims, which is why the more radical elements are killing each other.
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RE: Can you be a "Non religious muslim"?
August 22, 2022 at 6:42 am
(August 22, 2022 at 6:05 am)Jehanne Wrote: (August 22, 2022 at 12:24 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: You do realize this isn’t about denominational schisms, right, J?
Both groups claim that the other are not true Muslims, which is why the more radical elements are killing each other.
True enough, he’s just saying that’s not what the topic is.
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