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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 12:00 am
Quote:The contents of these articles may or may not be true. No one posting on this thread really knows.
We do know that the first two sources cited are funded and operated by the US government and have always pushed the official government line. These are not objective, independent sources. If a source is funded and operated by Russia, we should be equally wary of that.
The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch, was strongly Thatcherite, and is well-known for pushing dubious ideological narratives, including the idea that HIV doesn't lead to AIDS. It is a source to be skeptical about.
Haaretz is actually more sympathetic to an oppressed people (the Palestinians) than the New York Times. I do not know their history concerning Russia. Historically, Israeli media has strong opinions on Russia.
So, again, we don't know whether these stories are accurate or not. We do know that as skeptical people who are wary of propaganda and think for ourselves, these are sources to be very wary of.
Lol the guy who has literally been posting stuff from people linked to Russia and repeating Russian talking points is giving me a lecture on sourcing 
And note you don't actually provide any real objections just "it might be fake news" you sound like a Trumpists 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 12:01 am
(October 15, 2022 at 11:38 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Oh, your links are fine but everyone else's are suspect.
Why am I not surprised? The lack of self awareness from him is amazing ..... 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 12:06 am
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Quote:Detailed description of the recent history of Ukraine. More accurate than the over-simplified cartoon version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8yH2euzpEM&t=1156s
Yeah this guy is totally not a propagandist for Russia
https://risu.ua/en/russian-propaganda-se...xy_n115656
Quote:URI Professor Nicolai Petro meets in Russia with Vladimir Putin,
https://www.uri.edu/news/2013/09/uri-pro...d-leaders/
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 12:24 am
(October 16, 2022 at 12:06 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:Detailed description of the recent history of Ukraine. More accurate than the over-simplified cartoon version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8yH2euzpEM&t=1156s
Yeah this guy is totally not a propagandist for Russia
https://risu.ua/en/russian-propaganda-se...xy_n115656
Quote:URI Professor Nicolai Petro meets in Russia with Vladimir Putin, other world leaders
URI Professor Nicolai Petro meets in Russia with Vladimir Putin, other world leaders
But.
But...
YOUTUBE VIDEO!!!
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 12:25 am
(October 16, 2022 at 12:24 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 12:06 am)Helios Wrote: Yeah this guy is totally not a propagandist for Russia
https://risu.ua/en/russian-propaganda-se...xy_n115656
URI Professor Nicolai Petro meets in Russia with Vladimir Putin, other world leaders
But.
But...
YOUTUBE VIDEO!!! It's "independent media"
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 1:49 am
Haiti is in imminent danger of being invaded by foreign troops intent on shoring up an unpopular puppet government.
Which country should supply the arms to help Haitians overcome years of oppression?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 3:28 am
(October 16, 2022 at 1:49 am)Belacqua Wrote: Haiti is in imminent danger of being invaded by foreign troops intent on shoring up an unpopular puppet government.
Which country should supply the arms to help Haitians overcome years of oppression?
Okay... sorry for being late to the thread...
So, I've read this through a few times.
I'm not seeing how it relates to or matches up with the issue of either country in regards to Russia or Ukraine.
More information please? 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 3:40 am
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Quote:Haiti is in imminent danger of being invaded by foreign troops intent on shoring up an unpopular puppet government.
Which country should supply the arms to help Haitians overcome years of oppression?
1. This thread is about Ukraine if you want to start one about Haiti do so
2. This isn't an invasion as the legitimate government of Haiti has asked for aid in opposing criminal gangs and as not great as the current government is the gangs under Jimmy Chérizier are infinitely worst. It's a matter of the lesser of two evils. Though I do believe the current head of the Haitian government should be pressured into stepping down when the crisis is over. As he has proven he's unfit to lead.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 3:47 am
(October 16, 2022 at 3:28 am)Peebothuhlu Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 1:49 am)Belacqua Wrote: Haiti is in imminent danger of being invaded by foreign troops intent on shoring up an unpopular puppet government.
Which country should supply the arms to help Haitians overcome years of oppression?
Okay... sorry for being late to the thread...
So, I've read this through a few times.
I'm not seeing how it relates to or matches up with the issue of either country in regards to Russia or Ukraine.
More information please?
Not at work The only way they are remotely relevant is that in both cases the legitimate government has asked for aid from the international community. The difference is one is to defend a country from an invasion the other is to stop a group of criminals from taking over a country.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 3:55 am
(October 16, 2022 at 3:28 am)Peebothuhlu Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 1:49 am)Belacqua Wrote: Haiti is in imminent danger of being invaded by foreign troops intent on shoring up an unpopular puppet government.
Which country should supply the arms to help Haitians overcome years of oppression?
Okay... sorry for being late to the thread...
So, I've read this through a few times.
I'm not seeing how it relates to or matches up with the issue of either country in regards to Russia or Ukraine.
More information please?
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People seem to think that it's bad for a big country to invade and control a smaller one.
We'd want to be sure that we don't have a double standard involved, where it's OK for our team but not for theirs.
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